Note: This ballot was opened for revision 10 and is now closed.
Summary: Needs a YES. Needs 8 more YES or NO OBJECTION positions to pass.
Comment (2011-01-20 for -)
I have only partially reviewed this document, but I have no objection to
the technical content in this document. I found a lot of the text
somewhat ambiguous or hard to parse, and the number of such issues was
(IMHO) close to making the document quality suspect and warranting a
Discuss. Although the RFC Editor will work on these issues, it is my
opinion that such a level of changes will result in a proportion of
cases will result in:
- bad fixes made by the RFC Editor
- issues being missed.
I urge the authors to at least make fixes to the issues I have
identified, and preferably find a technology-aware native speaker to
review and update the text.
The Abstract really needs to mention SDP
I would prefer if the Introduction was also clearer sooner that this
document applies to SDP
SDP is not a well-known acronym according to the RFC Editor
so should be expanded:
- in the title
- in the Abstract when you add it
- on first use in the main text
You should expunge all references to "draft" and replace with "document"
(when published as an RFC, this will not be a draft!)
In the Abstract...
The draft also helps to maintain an optimal bitrate for video
as only the image size that is desired by the receiver is
A nice trick if you can do it, but actually, I think that someone needs
to implement something! How about...
The mechanisms defined in this document can also be used to help
maintain an optimal bitrate for video, as only the image size that is
desired by the receiver is transmitted.
This document proposes a new attribute to make it possible to
negotiate different image attributes such as image size. The term
image size is defined here as it may differ from the physical screen
size of for instance a hand-held terminal.
I do not find the term "image size" defined.
You may want s/defined/used/ or you may want to add the definition.
There are a number of benefits with a possibility to negotiate the
/with a/to the/
o Optimal quality for the given bitrate: The sender does not need to
encode an entire CIF (352x288) image if only an image size of
288x256 is displayed on the receiver screen. This alternatively
gives a saving in bitrate.
o The attribute typically contains a "send" and a "recv" keyword.
These specify the preferences for the media once the session is
set up, in the send and receive direction respectively from the
point of view of the sender of the session description. One of
the keywords ("send" or "recv") MAY be omitted, see Section 3.2.4
and Section 3.2.2 for a description of cases when this may be
I see this saying:
The attribute MUST contain at least one of the keywords "send" and
o For sendrecv streams both of the send and recv directions SHOULD
BE present in the SDP.
o For inactive streams it is RECOMMENDED that both of the send and
recv directions are present in the SDP.
s/SDP/SDP message/ ?
Payload type number (PT): The image attribute is bound to a specific
codec by means of the payload type number.
It may be obvious, but there is no statement of where the possible
values of PT can be found. I think you should add this.
Comment (2011-01-14 for -)
I've done a detailed review of the document and overall I think it is fine.
Some comments below:
Last paragraph of section 126.96.36.199, last sentence:
Where ratio_min and ratio_max are the min and max allowed picture
If sar and the sample aspect ratio that the receiver actually uses
in the display are the same (or close), the relation between the x
and y pixel resolution and the physical size of the image is
straightforward. If however sar differs from the sample aspect
ratio of the receiver display this must be taken into
consideration when the x and y pixel resolution alternatives are
This doesn't say how to achieve that.
o Answerer receiving the offer and sending the answer:
* The answerer should not include an image attribute in the
answer if it was not present in the offer.
s/should not/SHOULD NOT ?
Also check if "may"s in this section should be MAYs.
188.8.131.52. Possible solutions
o 2nd session-wide offer/answer round: In the 2nd offer/answer the
codec payload format specific parameters are defined based on the
outcome of the 'imageattr' negotiation. The drawback with this is
that set up of the entire session (including audio) may be delayed
considerably, especially as the 'imageattr' negotiation can
already itself cost up to two offer/answer rounds. Also the
conflict between the 'imageattr' negotiation and the payload
format specific parameters is still present after the first offer/
anser round and a fuzzy/buggy implementation may start media
before the second offer/answer is completed with unwanted results.
Comment (2011-01-18 for -)
This document is well-written. These comments require no action by the authors,
but if these fixes were applied, it might make for a cleaner document.
1) in the first sentence of the introduction, s/attribute/SDP attribute/
2) in the introduction, sar used without definitinon or reference
3) in 3.1.1, for sendrecv streams you use SHOULD BE - BE is not an RFC2119
keyword. The next bullet uses RECOMMENDED. RECOMMENDED and SHOULD mean the same
things in RFC2119. It woul dbe nice to be consistent so people ar enot in any
way confused by the different language. 4) in 184.108.40.206, the sentence starting
"several image attributes can be defined" is a bit convoluted, and it makes it
difficult to parse. "conditioned that" is an unusual wording that makes it
harder to parse. It is unclear whether the "conditioned that" is part of the
"for instance", or part of the "can be defined". 5) payload type - what s the
range? are these types defined in a registry someplace? 6) preference - what is
the range of q? is this 0.0-1.0, or are 100.0 and -65537.7 valid values? 7) sar
- what is the range of values? 7) sar - I am confused by the "(range)" in this
sentence - do you mean it defines a specific range of sample aspect ratios
associated to a given x and y image size? 8) "The response MUST NOT include a
sar parameter if there is no acceptable value given." - what does acceptable
mean here? 9) how does one express a sar range? is it "0.1-0.7" or "0.1...0.7"
or dx/dy "0.1/0.7" or 0.142857143? 10) "The offerer must be able to support ...
The exception is" Isn't MUST with an exception a SHOULD? 11) Can we capitalize
the RFC2119 keywords? 12) "to reduce this risk", why isn't this a MUST? 13) in
3.2.2 s/answer/answerer/ 14) in 3.2.2, if the third approach solves the problem
and has no drawbacks, why not make that one a MUST, and make the other two
options MUST NOT?
Comment (2011-01-18 for -)
The technical content of this document appears to be acceptable.
The document is difficult to read in numerous places because of run-on
sentences and non-standard English.
I suggest that the authors review the conformance terms in accordance with RFC
2119, because sometimes lowercase keywords (lacking any conformance meaning)
are used when uppercase keywords seem more appropriate. For example, in the
following sentence "MUST" seems better than "must":
* The offerer must be able to support the image attributes that
There are also several instances of uppercase keywords when no conformance
meaning is in force. For example, in the following sentence "needs to" seems
better than "MUST":
* If the image attribute is included in the SDP answer but none
of the entries are usable or acceptable, the offerer MUST
resort to other methods to determine the appropriate image
Comment (2011-01-20 for -)
As noted in the Gen-ART Review by Avshalom Houri on 19-Jan-2011, the
following lines in Section 4.2.4 need to be reworded:
> Neither part is required to rescale like this (sar may be ignored),
> the consequence will of course be a distorted image.
Also, please consider the editorial changes proposed in the Gen-ART
Review by Avshalom Houri.