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Ted Lemon

Sheng is going to work on a new proposal that does the same thing without CGAs, and bring it back through the working group. If he still sees the need for this work afterward, we may revive it.

Ted Lemon

State changed to AD is watching::Revised I-D Needed from IESG Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed

Cindy Morgan

Shepherding AD changed to Ted Lemon

Cindy Morgan

State changed to IESG Evaluation::Revised ID Needed from IESG Evaluation

Gonzalo Camarillo

[Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Gonzalo Camarillo

Martin Stiemerling

[Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Martin Stiemerling

Stephen Farrell

[Ballot comment]
- I agree with Sean's discuss based on Steve Kent's thorough
secdir review.

- I didn't get why a client would use this - if the client
generates a CGA then why does it even use DHCP?
Ted explained that prefix delegation is a reason which
seems fair enough, but doesn't seem to be the kind of
thing all DHCP clients might want to do. If address
registration (another offered use) was a reason then the
same privacy issues as arise with SAVI would apply here
and ought be mentioned since CGAs are designed to
provide better privacy and CGA+this seems to give
back whatever privacy advantage you might have
gotten from CGAs.

- My suggestion for how to fix this is to cut it down to
server authentication only (or possibly server and relay
authentication only); get rid of the idea of clients using
this in general; make the leap-of-faith much clearer, and fix
the crypto protocol issues from the secdir review. Such a spec
could be quite useful.

- I made the same point as my discuss above in relation to
another (now-dead?) draft from the same authors. [1]

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-csi-dhcpv6-cga-ps/ballot/#stephen-farrell

Stephen Farrell

[Ballot Position Update] Position for Stephen Farrell has been changed to No Objection from Discuss

Stephen Farrell

[Ballot discuss]

I don't get why a client would use this - if the client
generates a CGA then why does it even use DHCP? (If that's
mentioned already in one of the other discusses I'm happy to
make this a comment - will check when I've time.)

Stephen Farrell

[Ballot comment]

- I agree with Sean's discuss based on Steve Kent's thorough
secdir review.

- My suggestion for how to fix this is to cut it down to
server authentication only (or possibly server and relay
authentication only); get rid of the idea of clients using
this; make the leap-of-faith much clearer, and fix the crypto
protocol issues from the secdir review. Such a spec could be
quite useful.

- I made the same point as my discuss above in relation to
another (now-dead?) draft from the same authors. [1]

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-csi-dhcpv6-cga-ps/ballot/#stephen-farrell

Stephen Farrell

[Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Stephen Farrell

Benoit Claise

[Ballot comment]
A COMMENT from the OPS directorate review, take or leave it, but I wanted to share it.

Readability of the document could be improved by adding an acronym section and by adding diagrams to the introduction section showing the various network configurations, with and without the relay element.

Benoit Claise

Ballot comment text updated for Benoit Claise

Benoit Claise

[Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Benoit Claise

Sean Turner

[Ballot discuss]
From the secdir review:

The document does not provide a thorough system-level description of how the security mechanisms are to be used, and how clients, servers, and relay agents might need to be configured accordingly. For example, if the primary focus is thwarting fake DHCPv6 server attacks, then a client might not need to signature a query directed to a server. On the other hand, if the goal is to enable servers to selectively provide service to clients, e.g., based on cached CGA values, then a client would need to sign a query. The document needs to provide additional background in this regard, to enable readers (and implementers) to understand what features need to be present in system components making use of these security mechanisms. A description of local configuration variables that can be used to achieve the desired system-level behavior is needed.

Section 4 describes the proposed mechanism. The section states the assumptions that underlie use of CGAs in this context, but it does so in a confusing manner. The use of CGAs provides intrinsic authentication of the sender of a signed message, in terms of the IPv6 address of the sender. For DHCPv6 clients, this may be all that is required, but the text does not make that argument. For DHCPv6 servers, clients (and relay agents) simple address authentication does not suffice; a client (or a relay agent) needs to know that the sender of a message is authorized to act as a server (or relay agent). The text is not at all clear on this point, i.e., it fails to state for which entities it is necessary to pre-configure CGA parameters, to enable meaningful authentication (and authorization).

The text here states an exception to the need for pre-configuration saying that an entity could have “ … recorded [the parameters] from previous communications.” This leap of faith (LoF) key management approach is discussed again only in Section 7. The discussion there is superficial. More text is needed to explain when LoF may be viewed as appropriate, and to address issues such as how a client that acquired a server’s CGA would transition to a new server CGA, securely.

Section 4 ends by noting that the “authentication options” (presumably the signature option) can be used to counter replay attacks. This is not quite accurate, i.e., it is the integrity aspect of the signature that provides a basis for anti-replay mechanisms, vs. the authentication aspect. More worrisome is that fact that there is no later mention of anti-reply in the document. The authors need to add text discussing anti-replay in this context.

Section 4.2 discusses algorithm agility, but does so only for hash algorithms. This section needs to be expanded to discuss signature algorithm agility as well. Also, the text here states that “mainly unilateral notification” is the means by which an algorithm change is made known to a peer communicant, but that not all senders in a network need to transition to a new algorithm at the same time. This section needs to describe how an orderly transition to a new algorithm can be effected in a network. For example, one might add an option that a sender could include in a message, indicating a preferred list of algorithms (signature and has) that it supports. This would enable a server to know whether clients are prepared to transition to a new algorithm.

Section 5.2 defines a signature option. There is a timestamp here, which is present to help “reduce the danger of replay attacks.” However, the processing rules for a receiver (Section 6.2) make no mention of this timestamp. This mismatch needs to be fixed. The description of what data is protected by the signature is a bit complex to follow. A diagram is needed. A padding field is defined, but there is no mention of what padding bits are to be used.

Section 5.3 defines a signature option for relayed replies. It is used to enable encapsulation of a reply that passes through one or more relay agents, so that there are separate signatures for each agent and for the target client. The description here is not clear to me, especially if there is more than one relay agent.

Sections 6.1 and 6.2 provides processing rules for senders and receivers, respectively. This is a very good structure, but, as noted above, some details are missing, e.g., there is no mention of timestamp use. (If timestamp processing rules are defined elsewhere, e.g., 3515, then this text should include the relevant cite). The description of when the CGA, Signature and DUID options MUST and MUST NOT be used is sufficiently complex that a table needs be included. There is a reference to an Authentication Option near the bottom of page 11, but none is defined in this document.

The opening discussion for Section 6.2 is confusing when it discusses how a Secure DHCPv6 “enabled” receiver might, or might not, discard messages that omit the CGA and Signature options. The authors may need to distinguish between a receiver that is Secure DHCPv6 “capable” vs. “enabled” to clarify what they mean. Maybe the purported source address of the sender plays a roll here as well. Discarding a packet for which the required options are absent is a SHOULD, here. But, near the bottom of page 12, there is text that says a packet that does not pass all of the checks MUST be discarded. These two statement need to be reconciled. There is no discussion of how a receiver verifies that a message is from an authorized server or relay agent, e.g., by reference to pre-configured CGA data. There is no discussion of when a receiver should cache CGA data for future use, despite an allusion to this possibility in Section 4. These topics must be addressed if the processing rules are to be considered complete. The “minbits” description is bit confusing, as its name specifies a minimum key size, but the description discusses both min and max key sizes. Also, this variable needs to be augmented with an algorithm ID, so that it is clear to which algorithm the key size applies.

The security considerations section states that “… clients should be pre-configured with the DHCPv6 server CGA.” This seems important enough to be “SHOULD” vs. “should.” Similar language is used to describe the need to pre-configure CGAs for relays and servers, and it too needs to be stated more firmly. In both cases the text states that how secure pre-configuration of CGAs is achieved is out of scope. Later in this section the authors suggest that a leaf of faith (LoF) approach to acquisition of these CGAs by clients may be a reasonable alternative to secure distribution of server CGA values. This suggestion ignores the issue of how a key change for a server will be accommodated, or how the addition of a new server would work. Absent a discussion of these issues, the LoF suggestion seems questionable.

This section contains a brief discussion of collision attacks against hash functions, and why the current levels of attacks are not a serious concern in this context. Hash functions, per se, do not have a “non-repudiation feature” so I think the text here should be improved. Discussion of the hash function security in the SeND context seems relevant. As noted earlier, the test in 4.2 that talks about why hash functions are adequately secure for this context should move here, and the redundancies should be removed.

Sean Turner

[Ballot comment]
Also from the secdir review:

Section 3 provides a very brief discussion of the vulnerabilities associated with unsecured DHCPv6, and then reviews the security mechanisms offered in RFC 3315. It notes that the symmetric key management approach offered in 3315 is difficult to manage, a conclusion with which I concur. However, the authors overstate the simplicity of their proposed approach, deferring to the Security Considerations section a discussion of public key management.

Section 3 notes that 3315 suggests use of IPsec to secure communications between servers and relay agents (or between relay agents), but dismisses that approach due to complexity. I am less sympathetic to this statement. IPsec is already implemented in all major operating systems, so an argument about its complexity, relevant to a set of proposed new mechanisms, is not especially relevant. Perhaps the authors intend to argue that management of IPsec for this application is more complex than their proposed solution. If so, I suggest that the text in bullet “c” of Section 3 be revised.

Much of the text in 4.2 should be moved to the Security Considerations section, as it is motivational material not describing the working of the protocol.

Section 6.3 describes special processing performed by relay agents, above what is described for them as senders and receivers, in the preceding two sections. Because relay agent processing has already been discussed in 6.1 and 6.2, the additional text here seems confusing to me. The closing paragraph is especially confusing to me, but maybe DHCPv6 experts will find it understandable.

Sean Turner

[Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Sean Turner

Wesley Eddy

[Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Wesley Eddy

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