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Agenda interim-2019-cellar-07: Tue 21:00
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Meeting Agenda Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission (cellar) WG
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agenda-interim-2019-cellar-07-sessa-00
CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
August 27, 2019        19:00 UTC
                       21:00 Amsterdam
                       15:00 NYC
                       12:00 San Francisco

NOTE this is one hour earlier than last time!

INFO:
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-cellar-07/session/cellar
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-cellar-07-sessa/

WEB CONFERENCE:
   https://appear.in/cellar-interim
   THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try this at any time.)
   These notes at: https://github.com/cellar-wg/chair-notes

1. Note Well.
2. Accept draft minutes from July 30 meeting (attached below)

3. Logistics for Meeting.
   2a) Etherpad for notes
       https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual?useMonospaceFont=true

   2b) APPEAR.IN is not called "whereby.com"
       https://whereby.com/cellar-interim

   2c) Roll call

4. WG status update
   * EBML -- still waiting on revised -11 document for AD evaluation.
   We had a lot of conversation last time about solving this logjam.
   Much work on it 2019-08-26, is it done?

5. Remining EBML issues, hoping for none.
      Issue #279 https://github.com/cellar-wg/ebml-specification/issues/279
      Pull request: https://github.com/cellar-wg/ebml-specification/pull/281

5. Work on Matroska issues.

6. Any other business.

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        CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
        July 30, 2019        20:00 UTC

        Present:
                1) Michael Richardson
                2) Timothy B. Terriberry
                3) Steve Lhomme
                4) Martin Below
                5) Dave Rice
                6) Michael Niedermeier

Regrets:
            Jerome Martinez

        INFO:
           https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-cellar-06/session/cellar
           https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-cellar-06-sessa/

        WEB CONFERENCE:
           https://appear.in/cellar-interim
           THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try this at any time.)
           These notes at: https://github.com/cellar-wg/chair-notes

        1. Note Well.
                https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/

        2. Accept draft minutes from June 25 meeting (attached below)
                No objections/changes, minutes passed.

        3. Logistics for Meeting.
           2a) Etherpad for notes
               https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual?useMonospaceFont=true

           2b) APPEAR.IN for video and screen sharing.
               https://appear.in/cellar-interim

           2c) Roll call

        4. WG status update
           * EBML -- still waiting on revised -11 document for AD evaluation.
        ACTION from last time:
                       ==> issue #257, requested one more day to think about it.
                                                The changes
                    are fine in general, but want to make sure it precise
                    enough. (MB)

        We created issue #279 to introduce some new text to better explain what
        a Global Element is, and why it does not end an unlimited size Element.

           * Thank for reposting of draft-ietf-cellar-tags-02,
                 draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-03  and draft-ietf-cellar-codec-02

           * The personal draft-weaver-cellar-flac-00 did not get reposted.
             I believe that we adopted it, so it should have been reposted with
             a draft-ietf-cellar-flac-00!

        reposted today, thank you.

        5. Any remining EBML issues.

        none known.

        6. ffv1-07 could be reposted in v3 format.
        ACTION: mcr to ask DataTracker and RSE if they are ready for this.

        7. Work on Matroska issues.

        Closed issue #325 (merged).
        Discussed issue #334 and related issue #308.

        8. Any other business.

        Matroska Pull request #318 will be on the agenda for next time.

        Meeting will be moved to an hour earlier, until the time changes.
        Currently it is 23:00 Berlin, so we will anchor the meeting to 22:00
        Berlin time.

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                CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
                June 25, 2019        20:00 UTC

                INFO:
                   https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-cellar-05/session/cellar
                   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-cellar-05-sessa/

                WEB CONFERENCE:
                   https://appear.in/cellar-interim
                   THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try this at any time.)
                   These notes at: https://github.com/cellar-wg/chair-notes

                Present:
                        1) Michael Richardson
                        2) Moritz Bunkus
                        3) Martin Below
                        4) Steve Lhomme
                        5) Dave Rice
                        6) Jérôme Martinez

        Regrets:
            1) Reto Kromer

                1. Note Well.
                2. Accept draft minutes from May 28 meeting
                        accepted without change.

                3. Logistics for Meeting.
                   2a) Etherpad for notes
                       https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual?useMonospaceFont=true

                   2b) APPEAR.IN for video and screen sharing.
                       https://appear.in/cellar-interim

                   2c) Roll call

        4. WG status update
                   * MCR still need to help Martin on large pull request.
                   * EBML changes... done.
                        + issue #257, requested one more day to think about it.
                        The changes are fine in general, but want to make sure
                        it precise enough. (MB)
                   * ffv1 has been submitted to IESG by AD.

        5. Work on Matroska issues.
                      48 open issues
                      21 open pull requests
                        https://github.com/cellar-wg/matroska-specification/issues

                        Next time, Steve will walk us through XSLT code to
                        validate the specification.
        TAG:
             "format extension"   suggestion that does not have to go into the
             main spec, because it could be added as separate spec  
             https://github.com/cellar-wg/matroska-specification/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22format+extension%22
                "format addition"     something that has to go into main
                specification.  
                https://github.com/cellar-wg/matroska-specification/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22format+addition%22

        * As the WebM will not be defined, remove all of the WebM specific
        stuff.
                * MCR suggests removing it from the Matroska document, and
                leave the history for others. * MB: DivX is also not part of
                Matroska.  Also concerned about how the Matroska project
                presents the WebM/DiVX vs core Matroska elements.   The spec
                will be huge, so take things out.

        * define how to add unpredictable data to the Matroska, so we could
        track things that are added.  Not just WebM, but also a libmotrsaka as
        well. * extension data would be on their own lines, and revision
        history would be clearly.

                6. Any other business.