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CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting

<table> <thead> <tr> <th align="center">Date</th> <th align="center">Time</th> <th align="left">Local Times</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td align="center">2022-01-25</td> <td align="center">21:00 Amsterdam</td> <td align="left">Time Converter</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">Note</td> <td align="center">Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam</td> <td align="left"></td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

Administrivia

INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-01 Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here

WEB CONFERENCE:

https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=7c38e939-3eaf-451e-8fde-8d05e4bd88c8

Shared COMIMD for notetaking: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual

  • Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to edit these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc.
  • Please ask Spencer if you have questions. :::warning The ComiMD URL is still redirecting, but the newly official location is https://notes.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual?edit - and that's active now. Please bookmark the new one when you're redirected to it. :::

Logistics for Meeting

2022 virtual interim meeting dates

  • Please note our 2022 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/

Agenda Items

Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/

Roll call

Attendees * * Michael Richardson

Regrets * Spencer Dawkins (will be 30 min late)

Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

  • Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
  • No objections on the mailing list or on the call.

WG status update

  • draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07 was posted 2021-10-19, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-control-00 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-18 was posted 2021-11-27, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-flac-02 was posted 2021-11-01, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-tags-07 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists

Milestone review:

  • Previous status: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we've published FFV1. ACTION Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update. We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigger issues, to publish as a draft.

  • Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates (errata plus additions) yet? (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-doc) - we can still wait for more feedback/bigger changes before submitting anything - ETA is "after we get Matroska out, so we know everything Matroska needs will be covered"

<h5>Discussion on the call</h5>

*

Matroska issues - Discussion on the call

*

FLAC issues - Discussion on the call

*

FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call

  • No discussion on the call

AOB?

*

:::success NEXT MEETING 2022-01-25 :tada: :::

CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting

<table> <thead> <tr> <th align="center">Date</th> <th align="center">Time</th> <th align="left">Local Times</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td align="center">2021-11-23</td> <td align="center">21:00 Amsterdam</td> <td align="left">Time Converter</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">Note</td> <td align="center">Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam</td> <td align="left"></td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

Administrivia

INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2021-10 Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here

WEB CONFERENCE:

https://whereby.com/cellar-interim

THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connecting to the whereby.com link at any time.)

Try out the meetecho link: https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=ec140dba-9bf7-4173-80cf-bf1d86100095

Shared COMIMD for notetaking: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual

  • Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to edit these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc.
  • Please ask Spencer if you have questions. :::warning The ComiMD URL is still redirecting, but the newly official location is https://notes.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual?edit - and that's active now. Please bookmark the new one when you're redirected to it. :::

Logistics for Meeting

2021 virtual interim meeting dates

  • Please note our 2022 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/

Agenda Items

Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/

Roll call

Attendees * Spencer Dawkins * Michael Richardson * Martijn van Beurden * Steve Lhomme * Jérôme Martinez * Michael Niedermayer * Dave Rice

Regrets *

News You Can Use

  • NOTE that https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait5 is December 8-10, with in-person and virtual registration - a lot of us are attending workshop on improving Matroska, and how to improve FFV1. the workshops are on December 8, meeting 9/10.

Final dates for 2022 Cellar meetings have been approved by our AD and added to the datatracker

  • 2022-01-25
  • 2022-02-22
  • 2022-03-29
  • 2022-04-26
  • 2022-05-24
  • 2022-06-28
  • 2022-08-23
  • 2022-09-27
  • 2022-10-25
  • 2022-12-06

WG status update

  • draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07 was posted 2021-10-19, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-control-00 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-17 was posted 2021-05-25, in ID Exists Expires Soon -18 will be a keep-alive submission
  • draft-ietf-cellar-flac-02 was posted 2021-11-01, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-tags-07 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists

Milestone review:

  • Previous status: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we've published FFV1. ACTION Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update. We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigger issues, to publish as a draft.
  • Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates (errata plus additions) yet? (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-doc) - we can still wait for more feedback/bigger changes before submitting anything - ETA is "after we get Matroska out, so we know everything Matroska needs will be covered"
<h5>Discussion on the call</h5>
  • ACTION: For Matroska, Spencer and Michael will review the IANA considerations, especially for deprecated assignments/non-assignments, and ask for ART area review
  • move the security considerations before IANA section

Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

  • Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
  • No objections on the mailing list or on the call.

Making sure we have copyright issues straightened out for the FLAC specification

  • Update from Michael on discussions with Josh Coalson and IETF Trust
  • Continue with the current document, or start a new one?
<h5>Discussion on the call</h5>
  • Martijn has a PR for new text, but we can use text from the previous document now that Josh has agreed that we have permission
  • ACTION: Spencer and Michael: get list of authors correct.
  • Martijn to add himself as an author and delete Michael Richardson
  • We will continue to engage with Josh on whether he would like to be listed as an author or added as a contributor
  • We should add the Xiph documentation as a informative reference

Matroska issues - Discussion on the call

  • (above IANA Considerations review)
  • We do have PRs we can merge now
  • ACTION: please review pull requests: 115, 555

FLAC issues - Discussion on the call

  • Discussed under copyright topic above

FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call

  • No discussion on the call
  • ACTION: -18 keepalive version will get reposted by Dave Rice

AOB?

  • NoTimeToWait5 is sending updates to attendees that includes current information about potential CoViD-19 lockdowns and restrictions for vaccinated-only attendees, etc.