CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting

Administrivia

INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-07
Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here

WEB CONFERENCE:

https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=8291e9a9-5e5d-4f43-928a-9f49e52df598

Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking

Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad at:
https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-07-cellar?view

• Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to edit/clarify/correct these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc.

• Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions.

2022 virtual interim meeting dates

• Please note our 2022 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/

Agenda Items

Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/

Roll call

Attendees
* Spencer Dawkins
*

Regrets
*

Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

• Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.

WG status update

• draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-01 posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-control-01 was posted 2022-05-01, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-19 was posted 2022-05-31, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-flac-04 was posted 2022-08-21, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-11 was posted 2022-07-03, in WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up, and has been updated after WGLC
• draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists

Milestone review:

• FLAC - did not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update for milestone?
  ** We said at the June meeting that we could spend all of the August meeting on FLAC, if we needed to ...

Discussion on the call

• NoTimeToWait 2022 announced as October 26-28, 2022. The venue is the The Hague.
• Michael has proposed that we have this meeting as hybrid (in person plus remote), and has requested approval for this from our AD.

Matroska issues - Discussion of shepherd writeup from Michael on the call.

• Michael is document shepherd, and we will pass it on to AD for review.
  *

FLAC issues - Discussion on the call

• from our last call:

  • 138 and #158 need review.

FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call

*

AOB?

• Next meeting is 2022-09-27

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Previous Minutes - CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting

Administrivia

INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-06
Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here

WEB CONFERENCE:

https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=7e2989e5-733a-4a81-bf0d-2af8713c32b9

Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking

Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad at:
https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-06-cellar?view

• Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to edit these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc.

• Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions.

2022 virtual interim meeting dates

• Please note our 2022 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/

Agenda Items

Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/

Roll call

Attendees
* Spencer Dawkins
* Martijn van Beurden
* Michael Richardson
* Dave Rice
* Steve Lhomme
* Jérôme Martinez
* Michael Niedermayer
*

Regrets
* Reto Kromer says he's likely to miss, because he's in a war zone

Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

• Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.

WG status update

• draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-01 posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-control-01 was posted 2022-05-01, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-19 was posted 2022-05-31, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-flac-03 was posted 2022-04-24, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-10 was posted 2022-04-30, in WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up, and has been updated after WGLC
• draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists

Milestone review:

• FLAC - will not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update for milestone?
  ** probably done by end of summer, so we don't need to change the milestone date at this time.

Discussion on the call

• NoTimeToWait 2022 announced as October 26-28, 2022. The venue is the The Hague.
  *

Matroska issues - Discussion of shepherd writeup from Michael on the call.

• Michael to be document shepherd, and pass it on to AD for review.

• Now in WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up

• In addition to PR reviews, Steve also asked that we discuss whether we need an IANA Registry For Enums In The Document

• Michael has reviewed all of the document except the legacy section at the end
• Steve has addressed about 80 percent of Michael's comments (thank you!)
• Need to be clear about the use of BCP14 text, and especially the use of SHOULD in our specifications
• We can also use "conditional MUST" statements if we can identify scenarios where the MUST would not apply
• How tolerant do archiving repositories need to be, about files that are not well-formed (not compliant to the standard you support)
• General recommednation about how to create files? Steve has a PR for that.
• Block groups and simple block elements are legal, even if they contain no elements
• PR #609 details
• Section 25.3 needs to be redone as a media regisrtation.
• Steve will create PRs with the existing issues that Michael has identified with the draft previously

FLAC issues - Discussion on the call

• (If time allows) - actually, we can spend all of the August call on FLAC, if that's needed to finish up by end of summer

  • 138 and #158 need review.

FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call

• (Time probably won't allow on this call - can we pick a date for discussion).

AOB?

• Next meeting is 2022-08-23 - remember, we skip July