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Global Routing Operations
charter-ietf-grow-03-01

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Date Rev. By Action
2021-03-09
03-01 Magnus Westerlund [Ballot comment]
Removing my block as I step down. I assume that the responsible AD will update the charter prior to external review.
2021-03-09
03-01 Magnus Westerlund [Ballot Position Update] Position for Magnus Westerlund has been changed to No Record from Block
2021-02-04
03-01 Robert Wilton [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Robert Wilton
2021-02-03
03-01 Benjamin Kaduk
[Ballot comment]
    The purpose of GROW is to consider the operational problems associated
    with the Internet Protocol (IP) global routing systems, …
[Ballot comment]
    The purpose of GROW is to consider the operational problems associated
    with the Internet Protocol (IP) global routing systems, including but
    not limited to default-free zone routing table growth, effects of the
    interactions between interior and exterior routing protocols, the effect
    of address allocation policies, or practices on the global routing
    system.  [...]

I'm not sure what the last bit is trying to say.  What "practices" are it that might
have an effect on the global routing system?  Is "on the global routing system" supposed
to apply to the entire list or just the last item?
Also, nit: "including but not limited to" should introduce a list that ends with "and"
(currently "or" is used).

    Where appropriate, GROW documents the operational aspects of

What or who determines when it is "appropriate"?

  SIDR operations related work will occur in
  SIDROPS

nit: end the sentence with a full stop, please.

    GROW will also advise various working groups, mainly IDR and SIDROPS,
    with respect to whether they are addressing the relevant operational and
    routing security requirements of Internet-connected networks, and, where
    appropriate, suggest course corrections.

Martin D's point about one-directional advice feels poignant; a different phrasing
than "course corrections" might help, like "areas where improvement would have
significant impact".  (Also, same comment about "where appropriate" as above.)

  Provide documentation to assist in preventing malpractice in the global routing
  system.

Do you have examples in mind of what might be documented that is not a best practice
or an operational aspect (the previous two items)?

The proposed milestones mention "evolving documents"; is there a reference where
those are discussed?
2021-02-03
03-01 Benjamin Kaduk [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Benjamin Kaduk
2021-02-03
03-01 Warren Kumari Added charter milestone "“Using IRR and RPKI data to improve filtering of BGP peering sessions” to IESG or via “Evolving Documents”", due February 2022
2021-02-03
03-01 Warren Kumari Added charter milestone "TLV support for BMP Route Monitoring and Peer Down Messages" to IESG", due November 2021
2021-02-03
03-01 Warren Kumari Added charter milestone "“Negative consequences of de-aggregating received  routes for traffic engineering purposes” to IESG", due November 2021
2021-02-03
03-01 Warren Kumari Added charter milestone ""Revision to Registration Procedures for Multiple BMP Registries" to IESG", due August 2021
2021-02-03
03-01 Warren Kumari Added charter milestone ""BMP Peer Up Message Namespace" to IESG", due July 2021
2021-02-03
03-01 Warren Kumari Added charter milestone ""Support for Local RIB in BGP Monitoring Protocol (BMP)" to IESG", due April 2021
2021-02-03
03-01 Deborah Brungard [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Deborah Brungard
2021-02-03
03-01 Martin Duke
[Ballot comment]
I support Magnus's BLOCK.

This charter appears to envision one-way communication from GROW to other WGs on the work they need to do. …
[Ballot comment]
I support Magnus's BLOCK.

This charter appears to envision one-way communication from GROW to other WGs on the work they need to do. Is there no output of this WG that deserves some consultation with the routing area?
2021-02-03
03-01 Martin Duke [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Martin Duke
2021-02-03
03-01 Magnus Westerlund
[Ballot block]
Sorry, but what the hell does it mean to "Provide stewardship and maintenance"?

noun: stewardship; plural noun: stewardships

    the job of …
[Ballot block]
Sorry, but what the hell does it mean to "Provide stewardship and maintenance"?

noun: stewardship; plural noun: stewardships

    the job of supervising or taking care of something, such as an organization or property.
    "the funding and stewardship of the NHS"

So what is scoped in that role, only updates to fix found issues? Or does it allow also to do extension to the named protocols? Does stewerdship imply a control over other WGs if they attempt to do something with the intended protocols? I expect not the latest, but if one interpret the supervising part that could be implied.
2021-02-03
03-01 Magnus Westerlund [Ballot comment]
Please provide some reference to the named protocols.

Also, are the listed items really goals?
2021-02-03
03-01 Magnus Westerlund [Ballot Position Update] New position, Block, has been recorded for Magnus Westerlund
2021-02-02
03-01 Alissa Cooper [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Alissa Cooper
2021-02-01
03-01 Erik Kline [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Erik Kline
2021-02-01
03-01 Alvaro Retana [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Alvaro Retana
2021-02-01
03-01 Roman Danyliw [Ballot comment]
Are there milestones related to this WG?
2021-02-01
03-01 Roman Danyliw [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Roman Danyliw
2021-02-01
03-01 Éric Vyncke [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Éric Vyncke
2021-01-28
03-01 Murray Kucherawy [Ballot comment]
Any milestones to suggest regarding the non-"stewardship" deliverables?
2021-01-28
03-01 Murray Kucherawy [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Murray Kucherawy
2021-01-28
03-01 Warren Kumari [Ballot comment]
Apologies for the (likely) updates, formatting is hard...
2021-01-28
03-01 Warren Kumari [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Warren Kumari
2021-01-28
03-01 Warren Kumari New version available: charter-ietf-grow-03-01.txt
2021-01-28
03-00 Barry Leiba
[Ballot comment]
Two editorial things:

  GROW will also advise various working groups, mainly IDR and SIDROPS,
  with respect to whether it is addressing …
[Ballot comment]
Two editorial things:

  GROW will also advise various working groups, mainly IDR and SIDROPS,
  with respect to whether it is addressing the relevant operational and
  routing security requirements of Internet-connected networks, and where
  appropriate, suggest course corrections.

The antecedent to "it" appears to be "GROW", but I think it's supposed to refer to those various working groups.  Maybe "it" should be "they"?  (Also, super-nit, there should be an additional comma before "where appropriate".)

And there appears to be some bad punctuation problems in the "goals" paragraph -- missing periods, at least.
2021-01-28
03-00 Barry Leiba [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Barry Leiba
2021-01-28
03-00 Cindy Morgan Placed on agenda for telechat - 2021-02-04
2021-01-28
03-00 Warren Kumari WG action text was changed
2021-01-28
03-00 Warren Kumari WG review text was changed
2021-01-28
03-00 Warren Kumari WG review text was changed
2021-01-28
03-00 Warren Kumari Created "Ready w/o external review" ballot
2021-01-28
03-00 Warren Kumari
Much of this is editorial, and was started purely because people pointed out that the old charter was, um, old.

It isn't really chartering new …
Much of this is editorial, and was started purely because people pointed out that the old charter was, um, old.

It isn't really chartering new work, more just administrivia...
2021-01-28
03-00 Warren Kumari State changed to Start Chartering/Rechartering (Internal Steering Group/IAB Review) from Draft Charter
2021-01-28
03-00 Warren Kumari State changed to Draft Charter from Approved
2021-01-28
03-00 Warren Kumari New version available: charter-ietf-grow-03-00.txt
2009-08-29
03 (System) New version available: charter-ietf-grow-03.txt
2009-08-29
02 (System) New version available: charter-ietf-grow-02.txt
2003-05-02
01 (System) New version available: charter-ietf-grow-01.txt