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Serialising Extended Data About Times and Events
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WG review announcement

WG Review Announcement

From: The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
To: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: sedate@ietf.org 
Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org
Subject: WG Review: Serialising Extended Data About Times and Events (sedate)

The Serialising Extended Data About Times and Events (sedate) WG in the
Applications and Real-Time Area of the IETF is undergoing rechartering. The
IESG has not made any determination yet. The following draft charter was
submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your
comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by 2023-05-14.

Serialising Extended Data About Times and Events (sedate)
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Current status: Active WG

Chairs:
  Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com>
  Mark McFadden <Mark@internetpolicyadvisors.com>

Assigned Area Directors:
  Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
  Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>

Applications and Real-Time Area Directors:
  Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>
  Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>

Mailing list:
  Address: sedate@ietf.org
  To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sedate
  Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/sedate/

Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/sedate/

Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sedate/

RFC 3339 defines a text format as a profile of ISO 8601 that can reliably
express an instant in time, either in UTC or in a local time along with the
offset against UTC. However, datetime data often has additional context, such
as the timezone or calendar system that was in use when that instant was
recorded.

Particularly when using times for interval, recurrence, or offset
calculations, it is necessary to know the context in which the timepoint
exists. It would be valuable to have a standard text serialisation format for
this contextual data. This working group will develop and publish a format
meeting that requirement, subject to the additional constraints described
below.

* This format must be able to round-trip through intermediate systems which
do not understand the full context.

* Systems which don’t understand all the contextual fields must still be able
to reliably extract the instant in time.

This format will be a companion to RFC 3339 rather than a replacement,
embedding unaltered RFC 3339 data in a way that makes it easy to parse just
the datetime data independently of the context.

The work on this format discovered an issue with RFC 3339. When ISO 8601 was
revised in 2000, the “-00:00” offset which RFC 3339 had invented for “offset
isn’t relevant” was made invalid. This means that RFC 3339 is not a strict
subset of the current version of ISO 8601.

To fix this issue, the working group will additionally update RFC 3339 by
removing the definition of “-00:00” and updating the definition of “Z” (Zulu)
to mean that the offset to local time is not known, leaving “+00:00” to mean
that UTC is the preferred reference point for local time.

Any other changes to RFC 3339 are explicitly outside the charter for this
working group. If a need for any other changes to RFC 3339 emerges, this
group must recharter before performing that work. In this case, the changes
to RFC 3339 will need to be clearly motivated, evaluated and precisely scoped
during the rechartering process, and will need to make only changes that keep
the timestamp specification a profile of current versions of ISO 8601.
Stability of the RFC 3339 timestamp format is important to existing IETF
protocols and the Internet generally, and any rechartering process should
frown on anything that would invalidate the existing timestamp format.

The working group will coordinate with ECMA International TC39 and ISO/TC 154
to ensure that this work remains a strict extension of ISO 8601 and its
various parts rather than becoming a conflicting standard.

Milestones:

  Apr 2023 - Submit extended date and time draft to the IESG for publication


WG action announcement

WG Action Announcement

From: The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
To: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>,
    sedate-chairs@ietf.org,
    sedate@ietf.org 
Subject: WG Action: Rechartered Serialising Extended Data About Times and Events (sedate)

The Serialising Extended Data About Times and Events (sedate) WG in the
Applications and Real-Time Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For
additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs.

Serialising Extended Data About Times and Events (sedate)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Current status: Active WG

Chairs:
  Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com>
  Mark McFadden <Mark@internetpolicyadvisors.com>

Assigned Area Directors:
  Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
  Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>

Applications and Real-Time Area Directors:
  Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>
  Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>

Mailing list:
  Address: sedate@ietf.org
  To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sedate
  Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/sedate/

Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/sedate/

Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-sedate/

RFC 3339 defines a text format as a profile of ISO 8601 that can reliably
express an instant in time, either in UTC or in a local time along with the
offset against UTC. However, datetime data often has additional context, such
as the timezone or calendar system that was in use when that instant was
recorded.

Particularly when using times for interval, recurrence, or offset
calculations, it is necessary to know the context in which the timepoint
exists. It would be valuable to have a standard text serialisation format for
this contextual data. This working group will develop and publish a format
meeting that requirement, subject to the additional constraints described
below.

* This format must be able to round-trip through intermediate systems which
do not understand the full context.

* Systems which don’t understand all the contextual fields must still be able
to reliably extract the instant in time.

This format will be a companion to RFC 3339 rather than a replacement,
embedding unaltered RFC 3339 data in a way that makes it easy to parse just
the datetime data independently of the context.

The work on this format discovered an issue with RFC 3339. When ISO 8601 was
revised in 2000, the “-00:00” offset which RFC 3339 had invented for “offset
isn’t relevant” was made invalid. This means that RFC 3339 is not a strict
subset of the current version of ISO 8601.

To fix this issue, the working group will additionally update RFC 3339 by
removing the definition of “-00:00” and updating the definition of “Z” (Zulu)
to mean that the offset to local time is not known, leaving “+00:00” to mean
that UTC is the preferred reference point for local time.

Any other changes to RFC 3339 are explicitly outside the charter for this
working group. If a need for any other changes to RFC 3339 emerges, this
group must recharter before performing that work. In this case, the changes
to RFC 3339 will need to be clearly motivated, evaluated and precisely scoped
during the rechartering process, and will need to make only changes that keep
the timestamp specification a profile of current versions of ISO 8601.
Stability of the RFC 3339 timestamp format is important to existing IETF
protocols and the Internet generally, and any rechartering process should
frown on anything that would invalidate the existing timestamp format.

The working group will coordinate with ECMA International TC39 and ISO/TC 154
to ensure that this work remains a strict extension of ISO 8601 and its
various parts rather than becoming a conflicting standard.

Milestones:

  Apr 2023 - Submit extended date and time draft to the IESG for publication


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