IPv6 Operations
charter-ietf-v6ops-05

Note: This ballot was opened for revision 04-00 and is now closed.

Ballot question: "Is this charter ready for external review? Is this charter ready for approval without external review?"

(Alia Atlas) Yes

Deborah Brungard Yes

Comment (2017-04-25 for -04-01)
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I still find that last sentence difficult to parse "issues and
opportunities from these shutdowns have resulted in
innovations in network operation" e.g. if take the first
part, "issues in shutdowns resulting in innovations in
network operation" is doublespeak. I don't think ops
folks see their issues with such rose-colored glasses.
And the sentence seems opposite of the charter of the
working group, e.g. item #1 and #2, as the charter is
about identifying operational issues. If issues resulted
in innovations, we wouldn't need this group:-)

I'd suggest instead of "selling" the innovations of global
deployment in this sentence, rephrase it to be specific
on the charter goals. How about:
"An important aspect of IPv6 deployment has been the
operational issues with the shutdown of IPv4 networks
and operational interaction issues with IPv4 networks."

(Spencer Dawkins) Yes

Comment (2017-04-13 for -04-00)
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I'm a Yes, but I'm not a Responsible AD Yes. 

The ballot tab says "ready w/o external review", but both questions are on the ballot itself. 

I wouldn't object to external review if other people thought it was important, but I'm happier if people in other SDOs assume we're already looking at deployment experience :D.

The following is a nit, of course.

The last sentence in 

"The global deployment of IPv6 is underway, creating an Internet
consisting of IPv4-only, IPv6-only, IPv4-IPv6 dual-stack, and
IPv6+translation networks and nodes. This deployment must be properly
handled to avoid the division of the Internet into separate IPv4 and
IPv6 networks, ensuring addressing and connectivity for all IPv4 and
IPv6 nodes.  An important aspect of that has been the shutdown of IPv4
in some networks, which has resulted in innovations in network
operation." 

took me three reads to parse. If you think it could be more clear, I might suggest replacing it with

"An important aspect of IPv6 deployment has been the shutdown of IPv4 in some networks, and this shutdown has resulted in innovations in network operation".

And, now that I think I understand what is being said, I wonder if 

"An important aspect of IPv6 deployment has been the shutdown of IPv4 in some networks, and issues and opportunities from these shutdowns have resulted in innovations in network operation",

matching your new goal #3 (issues, opportunities, innovations) might be clearer.

But Yes, please change the charter to do this work, however you describe it!

Suresh Krishnan Yes

Comment (2017-04-25 for -04-01)
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I am highly supportive of this charter but I want to make sure that one item is addressed. v6ops has traditionally worked on CPE router requirements and I do not see any mention of this in the charter. I would like to see some verbiage added in this regard.

Warren Kumari Yes

(Kathleen Moriarty) Yes

Alvaro Retana Yes

(Ben Campbell) No Objection

Comment (2017-04-25 for -04-01)
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I think this is ready for approval without external review.

I stumbled over the same sentence as Spencer. Since I went to the trouble to compose proposed new text before reading his, I'll include that here--but I'm okay with Spencer's suggestion as well.

Last sentence in the first paragraph:

OLD:
An important aspect of IPv6 deployment has been the
shutdown of IPv4 in some networks, and issues and opportunities from 
these shutdowns have resulted in innovations in network operation
NEW:
IPv6 deployment has resulted in the shutdown of IPv4 in some 
networks. These shutdowns have resulted in innovations in network 
operations.
END.

(Benoît Claise) No Objection

Alissa Cooper No Objection

Comment (2017-04-26 for -04-02)
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Agree with Deborah's comment.

Mirja Kühlewind No Objection

(Terry Manderson) No Objection

Alexey Melnikov No Objection

(Eric Rescorla) No Objection

Adam Roach No Objection

Comment (2017-04-26 for -04-02)
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On the issue about whether to rewrite or omit the text regarding innovations resulting from v4 shutdown -- I agree with Deborah's position here that this kind of spin seems awkwardly out of place in the charter, and is unrelated to the work the WG will be taking on. My preference would be removing it.