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IETF conflict review for draft-masotta-tftpexts-windowsize-opt
conflict-review-masotta-tftpexts-windowsize-opt-01

Discuss


Yes

(Barry Leiba)

No Objection

(Brian Haberman)
(Gonzalo Camarillo)
(Robert Sparks)
(Russ Housley)
(Sean Turner)

Abstain


Note: This ballot was opened for revision 00 and is now closed.

Ballot question: "Is this the correct conflict review response?"

Martin Stiemerling Former IESG member
Discuss
Discuss [Treat as non-blocking comment] (2012-12-11 for -00) Unknown
In full support of Wes' DISCUSS and the response should be "The IESG has concluded that this document extends an IETF protocol in a way that requires IETF review and should therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG approval."
Ron Bonica Former IESG member
Discuss
Discuss [Treat as non-blocking comment] (2012-12-11 for -00) Unknown
In the past, many RFCs have updated RFC 1350 by adding new TFTP Options. All of those drafts have a) explicitly updated 1350, b) been published on the standards track.

Why is this document different from its predecessors?
Stewart Bryant Former IESG member
Discuss
Discuss [Treat as non-blocking comment] (2012-12-12 for -00) Unknown
Given the widespread use of TFTP in bootstrapping devices, and hence its importance to the Internet, I think that this needs to go for IETF review.
Wesley Eddy Former IESG member
Discuss
Discuss [Treat as non-blocking comment] (2012-12-10 for -00) Unknown
I do not think this document conflicts with IETF work.  However, it may be harmful for those using it, and it clearly should not be used across the Internet.

In September, I sent these comments to the ISE, which do not seem to be addressed in the document:
"""
It is definitely missing text about what you do in the case of loss,
and probably completely pathologically broken, as currently written.

I say this because the window size is specified as any chosen value,
without any probing of what the network can actually support.

Further, on losses, the entire window is retransmitted.  So, a single
packet loss (which could be signalling congestion) causes retransmission
of an entire window, and this is going to occur either at line rate or
probably the same rate that the last window was paced out at, which
caused loss.

It sounds like a great way to shoot yourself in the foot while trying
to improve performance!
"""

This is just clearly an unsafe algorithm since it fails to backoff in response
to loss.  An overly aggressive setting will harm other traffic.

At minimum, it should:
1) halve the window size in-use on losses

2) encourage implementation of a "memory" such that if a window size
causes loss, you use a smaller size for subsequent transfers to the
same host

3) make it clear that host buffers can be a constraint on tiny devices
and that part of the TFTP 1-segment benefit is that it greatly simplifies
the resources and memory needed for reordering, etc., as this may be
taking place within a 1st or 2nd stage bootloader.
Barry Leiba Former IESG member
Yes
Yes (for -00) Unknown

                            
Pete Resnick Former IESG member
Yes
Yes (2012-11-30 for -00) Unknown
There is no current work in TFTP that I can see, and given that TFTP is almost exclusively used in local network environments nowadays, I have a hard time seeing how this could do any damage. Therefore, I am recommending a simple "No conflict" message. The only other choice is to decide that they are extending RFC 1350 in a sufficiently horrible way that it needs IETF Review. Transport folks should probably give the document a read.
Benoît Claise Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection (2012-12-13 for -00) Unknown
I'll trust the transport ADs judgement on this draft.
Brian Haberman Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection (for -00) Unknown

                            
Gonzalo Camarillo Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection (for -00) Unknown

                            
Robert Sparks Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection (for -00) Unknown

                            
Russ Housley Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection (for -00) Unknown

                            
Sean Turner Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection (for -00) Unknown

                            
Stephen Farrell Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection (2012-12-13 for -00) Unknown
I'm no-objection here but do think that the transport ADs 
discuss points ought to be but have not yet been fully
discussed as they seem to me to be reasonable points.
Adrian Farrel Former IESG member
Abstain
Abstain (2012-12-12 for -00) Unknown
I do not see any value in adding to the Discusses raised by other ADs.
Ralph Droms Former IESG member
Abstain
Abstain (2012-12-12 for -00) Unknown
The previously entered Discuss positions articulate all of my concerns.