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Internationalized Domain Names for Applications (IDNA): Background, Explanation, and Rationale
draft-ietf-idnabis-rationale-17

Yes

(Lisa Dusseault)

No Objection

(Dan Romascanu)
(Lars Eggert)
(Pasi Eronen)
(Robert Sparks)
(Ron Bonica)
(Russ Housley)

No Record


Note: This ballot was opened for revision 17 and is now closed.

Lisa Dusseault Former IESG member
Yes
Yes () Unknown

                            
Adrian Farrel Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection (2010-01-07) Unknown
Slightly puzzled by Section 1.1

   Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (IDNA) is a collection
   of standards that allow client applications to convert some Unicode
   mnemonics to an ASCII-compatible encoding form ("ACE") which is a
   valid DNS label containing only letters, digits, and hyphens.

Why is this specific to mnemonics?
Surely the purpose of the characters is out of scope except that they
are locally displayable/configurable.

Shows up in 1.3.1 as more of an example than a rule.

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idnits doesn't seem to be too happy with the way you have used references. I quote:

  == Unused Reference: 'ASCII' is defined on line 1886, but no explicit
     reference was found in the text

  == Unused Reference: 'Unicode-UAX15' is defined on line 1927, but no
     explicit reference was found in the text

  == Unused Reference: 'BIG5' is defined on line 1943, but no explicit
     reference was found in the text

  == Unused Reference: 'GB18030' is defined on line 1952, but no explicit
     reference was found in the text

  == Unused Reference: 'RFC0810' is defined on line 1962, but no explicit
     reference was found in the text

  == Unused Reference: 'RFC2673' is defined on line 1990, but no explicit
     reference was found in the text

  == Unused Reference: 'RFC4690' is defined on line 2020, but no explicit
     reference was found in the text

  == Unused Reference: 'Unicode-UTR36' is defined on line 2038, but no
     explicit reference was found in the text

  -- No information found for draft-ietf-idnabis-mapping - is the name
     correct?

  -- Obsolete informational reference (is this intentional?): RFC  810
     (Obsoleted by RFC 952)

I think the RFC Editor will require that all references are cited in the text, or removed from the list.

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FWIW I got seriously berated over Christmas by a relative who is a Bahá'í. Apparently we are facilitating non-convergence of communication between the peoples, and that is contrary to the teachings of Bahá'u'lláh.
Alexey Melnikov Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection (2009-12-31) Unknown
Should the [IDNA2008-Mapping] reference be normative for this Informational document?

7.1.  Design Criteria

   o  to permit incrementally adding new characters, character groups,
      scripts, and other character collections as they are incorporated
      into Unicode, doing so without disruption and, in the long term,
      without "heavy" processes (an IETF consensus process is required
      by the IDNA2008 specifications

I am not entirely sure which part you are calling "heavy" process: IETF Consensus process, or something else?

      and is expected to be required and
      used until significant experience accumulates with IDNA operations
      and new versions of Unicode).

7.1.3.  Labels in Lookup

   To further clarify the rules about handling characters that require
   contextual rules, note that one can have a context-required character
   (i.e., one that requires a rule), but no rule.  In that case, the
   character is treated the same way DISALLOWED characters are treated,
   until and unless a rule is supplied.  That state is more or less
   equivalent to "the idea of permitting this character is accepted in
   principle, but it won't be permitted in practice until consensus is
   reached on a safe way to use it".

Just to double check: my understanding that currently there are no "no rule" CONTEXTO characters defined. Is this correct?
Dan Romascanu Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection () Unknown

                            
Lars Eggert Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection () Unknown

                            
Pasi Eronen Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection () Unknown

                            
Ralph Droms Former IESG member
(was Discuss) No Objection
No Objection (2010-01-02) Unknown
The first two COMMENTs are related to my DISCUSS.

I worry about listing rules or algorithms like those in section 7.1.3 in a non-normative document where the normative definition is elsewhere.  It's not clear to me the explicit list of process steps is required for clarity or completeness in 7.1.3, so I suggest that the editors consider replacing the explicit process with a pointer(s) to the normative definition(s).

Nit... "Anyone looking up a label in a DNS zone is required to" seems imprecise.  Is "anyone" a user or an application or a DNS resolver?

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In section 7.2.3: "these characters" refer to which characters?
Robert Sparks Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection () Unknown

                            
Ron Bonica Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection () Unknown

                            
Russ Housley Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection () Unknown

                            
Jari Arkko Former IESG member
No Record
No Record (2010-01-07) Unknown
From a review by Christian Vogt:

- Section 1.1 says that "case-insensitivity is treated slightly
   differently in IDNA2008" than in IDNA2003.  It is not clear from the
   context why this is so.

- At the beginning of section 3, the term "code-point" is used without
   definition.  Suggest adding a definition.

- It may make sense to re-consider the title of section 4.  The current
   title is "Issues that Constrain Possible Solutions", and one would
   hence assume that the section covers issues that have made the
   design of IDNA2008 harder.  But the section rather describes issues
   related to applications supporting IDNA2008.  Therefore, a title
   such as "Application-Related Issues" would in my opinion be
   preferable.