Redundancy Mechanism for Inter-domain VPLS Service
draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-07
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2014-07-14
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07 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to AUTH48-DONE from AUTH48 |
2014-06-30
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07 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to AUTH48 from RFC-EDITOR |
2014-06-16
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07 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to RFC-EDITOR from EDIT |
2014-05-22
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07 | Tero Kivinen | Closed request for Telechat review by SECDIR with state 'No Response' |
2014-05-20
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07 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent |
2014-05-20
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07 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to EDIT |
2014-05-20
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07 | (System) | Announcement was received by RFC Editor |
2014-05-19
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07 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to No IC from In Progress |
2014-05-19
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07 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to In Progress |
2014-05-19
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07 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement sent from Approved-announcement to be sent |
2014-05-19
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07 | Amy Vezza | IESG has approved the document |
2014-05-19
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07 | Amy Vezza | Closed "Approve" ballot |
2014-05-18
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07 | Gunter Van de Velde | Closed request for Last Call review by OPSDIR with state 'No Response' |
2014-05-16
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07 | Adrian Farrel | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent from Approved-announcement to be sent::AD Followup |
2014-05-16
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07 | Adrian Farrel | Ballot approval text was generated |
2014-05-16
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07 | Adrian Farrel | Ballot writeup was changed |
2014-05-16
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07 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed |
2014-05-16
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07 | Lizhong Jin | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - No Actions Needed |
2014-05-16
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07 | Lizhong Jin | New version available: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-07.txt |
2014-05-15
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06 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent::Revised I-D Needed from IESG Evaluation |
2014-05-15
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06 | Spencer Dawkins | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Spencer Dawkins |
2014-05-15
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06 | Jari Arkko | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Jari Arkko |
2014-05-15
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06 | Richard Barnes | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Richard Barnes |
2014-05-14
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06 | Benoît Claise | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Benoit Claise |
2014-05-14
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06 | Pete Resnick | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Pete Resnick |
2014-05-14
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06 | Adrian Farrel | Draft Title: Redundancy provisioning for VPLS Inter-domain Draft Name: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-04 (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, … Draft Title: Redundancy provisioning for VPLS Inter-domain Draft Name: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-04 (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? standards Track as indicated in the title page header. The document was initially proposed as BCP, but after discussion with the AD it was moved to Standards Track (see discussion in the History) for more reasoning. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary: In many existing Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) inter-domain deployments (based on RFC 4762), pseudowire (PW) connectivity offers no node redundancy, or offers node redundancy only with a single domain. This deployment approach incurs a high risk of service interruption, since at least one domain will not offer PW node redundancy. This document describes an inter-domain VPLS solution that provides PW node redundancy across domains. Working Group Summary: This document is an L2VPN Working Group document, and has been discussed in the working group through multiple iterations of the draft and its predecessor draft (draft-liu-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy). It has been essentially stable since WG adoption in May 2013. Prior to WG adoption the protocol operations in the predecessor draft were removed, leaving the draft as a simple BCP on options for configuring redundancy for inter-domain VPLS services. Document Quality: The document is short (11 pages in total) and to the point. Personnel: Document Shepherd: Giles Heron (giheron@cisco.com) Area Director: Adrian Farrel (Adrian@olddog.co.uk) (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. The Document Shepherd has reviewed this document through multiple iterations - having worked with the authors to reduce the scope of the document to that of a BCP and then reviewed subsequent revisions for correctness. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. No. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No specific concerns. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why? Yes. (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No. (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Only one of those indicating support for the document in WG-LC was not a co-author. However nobody objected, and given that this is a BCP we're setting the bar lower than we would for protocol documents. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) No. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. Three lines with control characters found by ID nits. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review required. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes. (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? No. There is one normative reference to an internet-draft (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-13), but that draft has been submitted to the IESG for publication. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No. (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No impact on status of existing RFCs. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). The IANA considerations section simply states that no IANA allocation is required for this draft. There are no new code points or registries defined in this document. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. No sections written in a formal language. |
2014-05-14
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06 | Alia Atlas | [Ballot comment] The shepherd write-up says that this is BCP. The draft and data-tracker status say Standards Track. This needs to be clarified before it … [Ballot comment] The shepherd write-up says that this is BCP. The draft and data-tracker status say Standards Track. This needs to be clarified before it progresses. |
2014-05-14
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06 | Alia Atlas | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Alia Atlas |
2014-05-14
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06 | Kathleen Moriarty | [Ballot comment] Thanks for working through the SecDir review. |
2014-05-14
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06 | Kathleen Moriarty | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Kathleen Moriarty |
2014-05-14
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06 | Martin Stiemerling | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Martin Stiemerling |
2014-05-13
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06 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Stephen Farrell has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2014-05-13
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06 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot discuss] I'm just a bit puzzled by this, since the ICCP draft says: "The ICCP protocol is not intended to be applicable when the … [Ballot discuss] I'm just a bit puzzled by this, since the ICCP draft says: "The ICCP protocol is not intended to be applicable when the redundancy group spans PE in different administrative domains." Isn't that exactly what you're doing here? Apologies if I've just misunderstood something. |
2014-05-13
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06 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Stephen Farrell |
2014-05-12
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06 | Ted Lemon | [Ballot comment] It would be nice if this document contained a clear definition of what is meant by "node redundancy". I think this is referring … [Ballot comment] It would be nice if this document contained a clear definition of what is meant by "node redundancy". I think this is referring to PE nodes, but walking back to RFC 3985 I don't find a definition for that term, but as I progress through later RFCs I start to see "PE device" and later "PE node." I suspect that this is a well-understood term of art, but for the sake of readers who are trying to find their way through these documents for the first time it would help to make that clear. This stuck out for me because I at first interpreted "node" in the usual way that we use it in IETF protocols, and that definition of "node" doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the context of this document. I'm not in love with the sketchiness of the solution to state flapping described in section 7, but I assume that people who know more about this than I are satisfied with it, so I will say no more on the subject. |
2014-05-12
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06 | Ted Lemon | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Ted Lemon |
2014-05-12
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06 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot comment] Section 7: "In this document, ICCP protocol is deployed between two PEs or ASBRs. The two PEs or ASBRs should only be … [Ballot comment] Section 7: "In this document, ICCP protocol is deployed between two PEs or ASBRs. The two PEs or ASBRs should only be connected by a well managed and highly monitored network. This should be ensured by the operator." I understand what is meant here, but it might be good to be a bit more specific about the desired monitoring given recent discussions and RFCs about pervasive monitoring. I would suggest something like: "In this document, ICCP protocol is deployed between two PEs or ASBRs. The two PEs or ASBRs should only be connected by a network that is well managed and whose service levels and availability are highly monitored. This should be ensured by the operator." Section 9: s/author/authors/ (I assume.) |
2014-05-12
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06 | Alissa Cooper | Ballot comment text updated for Alissa Cooper |
2014-05-12
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06 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot comment] Section 7: "In this document, ICCP protocol is deployed between two PEs or ASBRs. The two PEs or ASBRs should only be … [Ballot comment] Section 7: "In this document, ICCP protocol is deployed between two PEs or ASBRs. The two PEs or ASBRs should only be connected by a well managed and highly monitored network. This should be ensured by the operator." I understand what is meant here, but it might be good to be a bit more specific about the desired monitoring given recent discussions and RFCs about pervasive monitoring. I would suggest something like: "In this document, ICCP protocol is deployed between two PEs or ASBRs. The two PEs or ASBRs should only be connected by a network that is well managed and whose service levels and availability are highly monitored. This should be ensured by the operator." |
2014-05-12
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06 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Alissa Cooper |
2014-05-11
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06 | Joel Jaeggli | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Joel Jaeggli |
2014-05-09
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06 | Vijay Gurbani | Request for Telechat review by GENART Completed: Ready. Reviewer: Vijay Gurbani. |
2014-05-08
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06 | Brian Haberman | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Brian Haberman |
2014-05-02
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06 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Telechat review by SECDIR is assigned to Stephen Kent |
2014-05-02
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06 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Telechat review by SECDIR is assigned to Stephen Kent |
2014-04-30
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06 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Telechat review by GENART is assigned to Vijay Gurbani |
2014-04-30
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06 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Telechat review by GENART is assigned to Vijay Gurbani |
2014-04-25
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06 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Barry Leiba |
2014-04-25
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06 | Adrian Farrel | Intended Status changed to Proposed Standard from Best Current Practice |
2014-04-24
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06 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed from Version Changed - Review Needed |
2014-04-24
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06 | Adrian Farrel | Ballot has been issued |
2014-04-24
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06 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Adrian Farrel |
2014-04-24
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06 | Adrian Farrel | Created "Approve" ballot |
2014-04-24
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06 | Adrian Farrel | Draft Title: Redundancy provisioning for VPLS Inter-domain Draft Name: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-04 (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, … Draft Title: Redundancy provisioning for VPLS Inter-domain Draft Name: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-04 (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? BCP - as indicated in the title page header. This is the proper type of RFC as this document defines no new protocol but simply defines use cases for inter-domain VPLS redundancy and makes recommendations as to how to configure the PEs at the domain borders. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary: In many existing Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) inter-domain deployments (based on RFC 4762), pseudowire (PW) connectivity offers no node redundancy, or offers node redundancy only with a single domain. This deployment approach incurs a high risk of service interruption, since at least one domain will not offer PW node redundancy. This document describes an inter-domain VPLS solution that provides PW node redundancy across domains. Working Group Summary: This document is an L2VPN Working Group document, and has been discussed in the working group through multiple iterations of the draft and its predecessor draft (draft-liu-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy). It has been essentially stable since WG adoption in May 2013. Prior to WG adoption the protocol operations in the predecessor draft were removed, leaving the draft as a simple BCP on options for configuring redundancy for inter-domain VPLS services. Document Quality: The document is short (11 pages in total) and to the point. Personnel: Document Shepherd: Giles Heron (giheron@cisco.com) Area Director: Adrian Farrel (Adrian@olddog.co.uk) (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. The Document Shepherd has reviewed this document through multiple iterations - having worked with the authors to reduce the scope of the document to that of a BCP and then reviewed subsequent revisions for correctness. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. No. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No specific concerns. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why? Yes. (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No. (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Only one of those indicating support for the document in WG-LC was not a co-author. However nobody objected, and given that this is a BCP we're setting the bar lower than we would for protocol documents. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) No. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. Three lines with control characters found by ID nits. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review required. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes. (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? No. There is one normative reference to an internet-draft (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-13), but that draft has been submitted to the IESG for publication. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No. (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No impact on status of existing RFCs. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). The IANA considerations section simply states that no IANA allocation is required for this draft. There are no new code points or registries defined in this document. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. No sections written in a formal language. |
2014-04-24
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06 | Adrian Farrel | Ballot writeup was changed |
2014-04-24
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06 | Adrian Farrel | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead::AD Followup |
2014-04-24
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06 | Adrian Farrel | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2014-05-15 |
2014-04-24
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06 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed |
2014-04-24
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06 | Lizhong Jin | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - No Actions Needed |
2014-04-24
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06 | Lizhong Jin | New version available: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-06.txt |
2014-04-24
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05 | Adrian Farrel | IESG state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead::Revised I-D Needed from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead |
2014-04-24
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05 | Adrian Farrel | Changed consensus to Yes from Unknown |
2014-04-24
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05 | (System) | IESG state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from In Last Call |
2014-04-17
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05 | Vijay Gurbani | Request for Last Call review by GENART Completed: Ready with Nits. Reviewer: Vijay Gurbani. |
2014-04-17
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05 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR Completed: Has Issues. Reviewer: Stephen Kent. |
2014-04-17
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05 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed from IANA - Review Needed |
2014-04-17
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05 | Pearl Liang | IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: IANA has reviewed draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-05, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We understand that, upon approval of this … IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: IANA has reviewed draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-05, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We understand that, upon approval of this document, there are no IANA Actions that need completion. While it is helpful for the IANA Considerations section of the document to remain in place upon publication, if the authors prefer to remove it, IANA doesn't object. If this assessment is not accurate, please respond as soon as possible. |
2014-04-16
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05 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Vijay Gurbani |
2014-04-16
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05 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Vijay Gurbani |
2014-04-14
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05 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Stephen Kent |
2014-04-14
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05 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Stephen Kent |
2014-04-14
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05 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Victor Kuarsingh |
2014-04-14
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05 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Victor Kuarsingh |
2014-04-10
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05 | Amy Vezza | IANA Review state changed to IANA - Review Needed |
2014-04-10
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05 | Amy Vezza | The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (Redundancy provisioning for VPLS Inter-domain) … The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (Redundancy provisioning for VPLS Inter-domain) to Best Current Practice The IESG has received a request from the Layer 2 Virtual Private Networks WG (l2vpn) to consider the following document: - 'Redundancy provisioning for VPLS Inter-domain' as Best Current Practice The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2014-04-24. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract In many existing Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) deployments based on RFC 4762, inter-domain connectivity has been deployed without node redundancy, or with node redundancy in a single domain. This document describes a solution for inter-domain VPLS based on RFC 4762 with node and link redundancy in both domains. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. |
2014-04-10
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05 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2014-04-10
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05 | Adrian Farrel | Last call was requested |
2014-04-10
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05 | Adrian Farrel | Ballot approval text was generated |
2014-04-10
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05 | Adrian Farrel | IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation::AD Followup |
2014-04-10
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05 | Adrian Farrel | Last call announcement was changed |
2014-04-10
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05 | Adrian Farrel | Last call announcement was generated |
2014-04-10
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05 | Adrian Farrel | Ballot writeup was changed |
2014-04-10
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05 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed |
2014-04-10
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05 | Lizhong Jin | New version available: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-05.txt |
2014-03-25
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04 | Adrian Farrel | Additional note sent to authors ==== Hi, I just want to add to these comments that the Security AD's review of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp reads... > The … Additional note sent to authors ==== Hi, I just want to add to these comments that the Security AD's review of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp reads... > The > security model relies upon physical security with some (not great) > provisions for authentication and access controls (address filtering, > anti-spoofing, MD5 authentication). Monitoring provides the ability to > catch a problem if a security breach arises s was described in the > response to the SecDir review. Our threat models and understanding of > them continues to evolve with service providers being a major target, as > well as administrators. Stronger authentication options and session > encryption should be considered if a redesign as suggested in other IESG > reviews is done. This suggests that your work should not simply lean on the security considerations of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp because they will not be considered to be sufficient for wider deployment in the Internet. Thanks, Adrian |
2014-03-22
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04 | Adrian Farrel | AD review ====== As is my usual practice, I am doing a review of your document as AD to support the publication request from the … AD review ====== As is my usual practice, I am doing a review of your document as AD to support the publication request from the WG chairs. Thanks to Lizhong for answering my early questions. I understand the intention of the document and have a number of updates that I think you need to make to improve the quality and direction of the work. FWIW I disagree with Lizhong that this is not a protocol specification. This document specifically gives instructions of process that an implementation has to follow (look at Section 5.3) and those procedures will change what messages the implementation sends. That means that the text changes what happens on the wire. So, although there are no bits and bytes changes, this is a protocol specification. I have put the document into "Revised I-D Needed" state. When I see a new revision, I'll move it forward. In the meantime, you should feel free to debate any of these points with me if you disagree. Thanks for the work, Adrian ========== It would be really nice to fix idnits --- Please check the text for acronyms that have not been expanded. --- Several places in the text (but not the boilerplate) please s/draft/document/ --- I can't see how this is a BCP. I realise that RFC 2026 section 5 is not really clearly written, but this is a technical spec that describes how to build a particular function in the network. Standards Track would be just fine (even though there are no bits and bytes defined) because you are defining procedures (using 2119 language) that an implementation has to perform to make this function work (i.e., interoperate). --- Section 1 Please give a little more information about what the "solution" is. You don't need to go into full detail, but you do need to give some overview. Things I'd like to see covered... - motivation is to provide service protection mechanisms in the event of edge node failure - basic mechanism is to provide edge node redundancy - solution is dependent on the use of ICCP (with reference) to coordinate between redundant edge nodes - no changes to any protocol message formats are needed for this solution and no new protocol options are defined - this solution is a description of how existing protocol building blocks may be deployed to achieve the desired function, but also defines implementation behavior necessary for the function to work. --- Section 4 3/PE4/PE5/PE6 should read PE3/PE4/PE5/PE6 --- The figures in Section 4 use "RG" but this term is not introduced until Section 5. --- Figure 2 might usefully be redrawn to show how PW3 and PW4 attach to the PEs. --- Section 5 says For the inter-domain four-PW scenario, it is required for PEs to ensure that the same mode is supported on the two ICCP peers in the same redundancy group (RG). But you don't say how this is achieved. --- Section 5.2 Before deploying this inter-domain VPLS, the operators MUST negotiate to configure same PW high/low priority at two PW end-points. How do they do this? --- Section 5.3 In this use case, there are generally three options So, sometimes two options and sometimes four options? :-) Delete "generally", but also make clear what the three options are. --- Section 5.3 support of 'request switchover' bit is required It would have helped me if this had used the same name as in RFC 6870 (Request Switchover status bit) and had included a reference to RFC 6870. --- Section 6 There seem to be some independent actions needed (operator negotiation, setting of mode). Are these security vulnerabilities? ICCP is being run on the Internet and not in a chassis. Does that make a difference to the security model? |
2014-03-22
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04 | Adrian Farrel | IESG state changed to AD Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from AD Evaluation::Point Raised - writeup needed |
2014-03-13
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04 | Adrian Farrel | Question about whether this is a protocol spec sent to authors. |
2014-03-13
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04 | Adrian Farrel | IESG state changed to AD Evaluation::Point Raised - writeup needed from AD Evaluation |
2014-03-13
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04 | Adrian Farrel | Question sent to authors et al. ======= As is my usual practice, I am doing a review of your document as AD to support the … Question sent to authors et al. ======= As is my usual practice, I am doing a review of your document as AD to support the publication request from the WG chairs. I'll come back with further details, but for the moment I have one high level question about the intended status of this document. I am pretty sure that it is not your intention that this is a protocol specification. The advice you are giving is about how to use existing building blocks to make a deployment, and the description as a BCP seem to support this. However, you describe the contents as a "solution" and there seem to be "changes" to an ICCP implementation that are needed to make this work. Section 5.1 seems to suggest that there are some changes needed to get the ICCP implementation on the PEs to do the right thing to make this deployment possible. This seems to be consistent with your use of RFC 2119 language. Similarly, you describe the way that RFC 6870 procedures are enhanced. The implication, therefore, is that if you take existing implementations off the shelf you cannot build this deployment. You need special modifications to make it work. Doesn't that make this a protocol specification (even if rather a simple one)? On the other hand, I think a lot of the description (using "should" etc.) in Section 5 is describing the proper behavior of an ICCP implementation and needs to be phrased as "will (according to [ICCP])". So, I am a bit confused about what this document is trying to do. Maybe that confusion can be cleared by answering: - Can existing, off-the-shelf implementations of VPLS and ICCP be used to perform this function? - Are there existing deployments of this function? Thanks in advance, Adrian |
2014-03-13
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04 | Adrian Farrel | Ballot writeup was changed |
2014-03-13
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04 | Adrian Farrel | Ballot writeup was generated |
2014-03-13
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04 | Adrian Farrel | Draft Title: Redundancy provisioning for VPLS Inter-domain Draft Name: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-04 (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, … Draft Title: Redundancy provisioning for VPLS Inter-domain Draft Name: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-04 (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? BCP - as indicated in the title page header. This is the proper type of RFC as this document defines no new protocol but simply defines use cases for inter-domain VPLS redundancy and makes recommendations as to how to configure the PEs at the domain borders. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary: In many VPLS deployments based on RFC4762, inter-domain connectivity has been deployed without node redundancy, or with node redundancy in a single domain. This document describes a solution for inter-domain VPLS based on RFC4762 with node and link redundancy in both domains. Working Group Summary: This document is an L2VPN Working Group document, and has been discussed in the working group through multiple iterations of the draft and its predecessor draft (draft-liu-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy). It has been essentially stable since WG adoption in May 2013. Prior to WG adoption the protocol operations in the predecessor draft were removed, leaving the draft as a simple BCP on options for configuring redundancy for inter-domain VPLS services. Document Quality: The document is short (10 pages in total) and to the point. Personnel: Document Shepherd: Giles Heron (giheron@cisco.com) Area Director: Adrian Farrel (Adrian@olddog.co.uk) (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. The Document Shepherd has reviewed this document through multiple iterations - having worked with the authors to reduce the scope of the document to that of a BCP and then reviewed subsequent revisions for correctness. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. No. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No specific concerns. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why? Yes. (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No. (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Only one of those indicating support for the document in WG-LC was not a co-author. However nobody objected, and given that this is a BCP we're setting the bar lower than we would for protocol documents. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) No. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. Three lines with control characters found by ID nits. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review required. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes. (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? No. There is one normative reference to an internet-draft (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-13), but that draft has been submitted to the IESG for publication. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No. (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No impact on status of existing RFCs. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). The IANA considerations section simply states that no IANA allocation is required for this draft. There are no new code points or registries defined in this document. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. No sections written in a formal language. |
2014-03-13
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04 | Adrian Farrel | IESG state changed to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested |
2014-03-05
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04 | Cindy Morgan | Shepherding AD changed to Adrian Farrel |
2014-02-10
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04 | Cindy Morgan | Draft Title: Redundancy provisioning for VPLS Inter-domain Draft Name: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-04 (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, … Draft Title: Redundancy provisioning for VPLS Inter-domain Draft Name: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-04 (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? BCP - as indicated in the title page header. This is the proper type of RFC as this document defines no new protocol but simply defines use cases for inter-domain VPLS redundancy and makes recommendations as to how to configure the PEs at the domain borders. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary: In many VPLS deployments based on RFC4762, inter-domain connectivity has been deployed without node redundancy, or with node redundancy in a single domain. This document describes a solution for inter-domain VPLS based on RFC4762 with node and link redundancy in both domains. Working Group Summary: This document is an L2VPN Working Group document, and has been discussed in the working group through multiple iterations of the draft and its predecessor draft (draft-liu-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy). It has been essentially stable since WG adoption in May 2013. Prior to WG adoption the protocol operations in the predecessor draft were removed, leaving the draft as a simple BCP on options for configuring redundancy for inter-domain VPLS services. Document Quality: The document is short (10 pages in total) and to the point. Personnel: Document Shepherd: Giles Heron (giheron@cisco.com) Area Director: Stewart Bryant (stbryant@cisco.com) (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. The Document Shepherd has reviewed this document through multiple iterations - having worked with the authors to reduce the scope of the document to that of a BCP and then reviewed subsequent revisions for correctness. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. No. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No specific concerns. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why? Yes. (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No. (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Only one of those indicating support for the document in WG-LC was not a co-author. However nobody objected, and given that this is a BCP we're setting the bar lower than we would for protocol documents. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) No. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. Three lines with control characters found by ID nits. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review required. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes. (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? No. There is one normative reference to an internet-draft (draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-13), but that draft has been submitted to the IESG for publication. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No. (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No impact on status of existing RFCs. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). The IANA considerations section simply states that no IANA allocation is required for this draft. There are no new code points or registries defined in this document. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. No sections written in a formal language. |
2014-02-10
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04 | Cindy Morgan | Document shepherd changed to Giles Heron |
2014-02-10
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04 | Cindy Morgan | Intended Status changed to Best Current Practice |
2014-02-10
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04 | Cindy Morgan | IESG process started in state Publication Requested |
2014-02-10
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04 | (System) | Earlier history may be found in the Comment Log for /doc/draft-liu-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy/ |
2014-02-10
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04 | Cindy Morgan | Working group state set to Submitted to IESG for Publication |
2014-02-08
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04 | Lizhong Jin | New version available: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-04.txt |
2013-12-19
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03 | Lizhong Jin | New version available: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-03.txt |
2013-07-12
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02 | Lizhong Jin | New version available: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-02.txt |
2013-07-07
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01 | Lizhong Jin | New version available: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-01.txt |
2012-11-06
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00 | Lizhong Jin | New version available: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-inter-domain-redundancy-00.txt |