Fast Failover in Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode (PIM-SM) Using Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for Multipoint Networks
draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-10
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2024-01-26
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10 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request closed, assignment withdrawn: Sarah Banks Last Call OPSDIR review |
2024-01-26
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10 | Gunter Van de Velde | Closed request for Last Call review by OPSDIR with state 'Overtaken by Events': Cleaning up stale OPSDIR queue |
2022-01-21
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10 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to AUTH48-DONE from AUTH48 |
2022-01-14
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2021-12-20
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10 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to RFC-EDITOR from EDIT |
2021-12-16
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10 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to RFC-Ed-Ack from Waiting on RFC Editor |
2021-12-16
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2021-12-16
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2021-12-16
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10 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to Waiting on Authors from In Progress |
2021-12-10
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10 | (System) | RFC Editor state changed to EDIT |
2021-12-10
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10 | (System) | IESG state changed to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent |
2021-12-10
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10 | (System) | Announcement was received by RFC Editor |
2021-12-10
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10 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to In Progress |
2021-12-10
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10 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement sent from Approved-announcement to be sent |
2021-12-10
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10 | Cindy Morgan | IESG has approved the document |
2021-12-10
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10 | Cindy Morgan | Closed "Approve" ballot |
2021-12-10
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10 | Cindy Morgan | Ballot approval text was generated |
2021-12-10
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10 | Alvaro Retana | Ballot approval text was generated |
2021-12-10
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10 | (System) | Removed all action holders (IESG state changed) |
2021-12-10
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10 | Alvaro Retana | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent from IESG Evaluation::AD Followup |
2021-12-10
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10 | Martin Vigoureux | [Ballot comment] ---DISCUSS record--- Hi, thank you for your work. I have two points I'd like to discuss with you: 1/ You write: If … [Ballot comment] ---DISCUSS record--- Hi, thank you for your work. I have two points I'd like to discuss with you: 1/ You write: If the value of the OptionLength field is not equal to 4, the BFD Discriminator PIM Hello option is considered malformed, and the receiver MUST stop processing PIM Hello options. Do you mean ignore all other options that would be in the PIM Hello message? I rapidly skimmed through 7761 and could not find such requirement nor an indication that documents defining new Hello options would have to define how to treat options when at least one is malformed. It may be that I simply failed to find the relevant text in PIM specs but I'd nevertheless appreciate if you could elaborate a bit on this. 2/ Twice you write that a PIM-SM router MAY/can become a head. First time in 2nd paragraph of 2.1, and the second time in 2.2. "become" gives a sense of automation, meaning without human intervention, and this is apparently confirmed by section 2.2 where becoming a head is driven by the node becoming a GDR. The issue I have is that 8562 is pretty explicit about the fact that the transition to Up state for a head is administratively controlled. You take great care in reusing that word (The head router administratively sets the bfd.SessionState to Up in the MultipointHead session) but I'm not sure this is sufficient to make this an administratively driven action. Maybe it's simply a discussion about the meaning of "administratively", but according to the understanding I have of this word (which is influenced by the typical use of it in router implementations), it seems to me that this document departs from 8562. Thank you ---DISCUSS record--- additionally, here are some minor comments: it precisely characterizes deployment scenarios for PIM-SM over a LAN segment. What do you mean here? I couldn't find any mention of PIM-SM over a LAN segment in RFC8562. HeadDiscriminator: equals the value of My Discriminator ([RFC5880]) allocated by the head. I would specify here that it MUST always be present and MUST NOT be zero. The head MUST include the BFD Discriminator option in its Hello messages, and it MUST include a 4-byte HeadDiscriminator with a value other than zero. Should this more precisely be written as: The head MUST include the BFD Discriminator PIM Hello option in its PIM Hello messages, and it MUST include a 4-byte HeadDiscriminator with a value other than zero. If you implement the change I have suggested above then you could remove the second part of the sentence. For the tail to correctly demultiplex BFD [RFC8562], the source address, and My Discriminator values of the BFD packets MUST be the same as those of the HeadDiscriminator in the PIM Hello message. This is not fully clear. Do you mean: For the tail to correctly demultiplex BFD [RFC8562], the source address and My Discriminator of the BFD packets MUST be the same as the source address and the HeadDiscriminator, respectively, of the PIM Hello message. s/The document/This document/ |
2021-12-10
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10 | Martin Vigoureux | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Martin Vigoureux has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2021-12-09
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10 | (System) | Changed action holders to Alvaro Retana (IESG state changed) |
2021-12-09
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10 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed |
2021-12-09
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10 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - Actions Needed |
2021-12-09
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10 | Greg Mirsky | New version available: draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-10.txt |
2021-12-09
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10 | (System) | New version accepted (logged-in submitter: Greg Mirsky) |
2021-12-09
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10 | Greg Mirsky | Uploaded new revision |
2021-12-02
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09 | (System) | Changed action holders to Alvaro Retana, Greg Mirsky, Ji Xiaoli (IESG state changed) |
2021-12-02
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09 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from IESG Evaluation |
2021-12-02
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09 | Zaheduzzaman Sarker | [Ballot comment] This short document looks good to me and thanks for working with it. I have one comment - - It would be great … [Ballot comment] This short document looks good to me and thanks for working with it. I have one comment - - It would be great to have the "throttling logging mechanism" explained or provide reference for further details. This will help the reader understand better. |
2021-12-02
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09 | Zaheduzzaman Sarker | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Zaheduzzaman Sarker |
2021-12-01
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09 | Murray Kucherawy | [Ballot comment] The shepherd writeup says simply "Proposed standard" in answer to the question "Why is this the proper type of RFC?". The SHOULDs in … [Ballot comment] The shepherd writeup says simply "Proposed standard" in answer to the question "Why is this the proper type of RFC?". The SHOULDs in Section 2.1 give the implementer a choice. I suggest including some guidance about how to make that choice, or perhaps more concretely, when one might opt not to do what the SHOULD says. |
2021-12-01
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09 | Murray Kucherawy | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Murray Kucherawy |
2021-11-30
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09 | Roman Danyliw | [Ballot comment] Thank you to Russ Housley for the SECDIR review. |
2021-11-30
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09 | Roman Danyliw | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Roman Danyliw |
2021-11-30
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09 | John Scudder | [Ballot comment] I support Martin’s discuss position, and have one other nit. The first sentence in the below is very difficult to parse: If … [Ballot comment] I support Martin’s discuss position, and have one other nit. The first sentence in the below is very difficult to parse: If a PIM-SM router is configured to monitor the head by using p2mp BFD, referred to through this document as 'tail', receives a PIM- Hello packet with the BFD Discriminator PIM Hello option, the tail MAY create a p2mp BFD session of type MultipointTail, as defined in [RFC8562]. Suggested rewrite: “A PIM-SM router that is configured to monitor the head by using p2mp BFD is referred to throughout this document as a “tail”. When such a tail receives a PIM-Hello…” |
2021-11-30
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09 | John Scudder | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for John Scudder |
2021-11-30
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09 | Éric Vyncke | [Ballot comment] Thank you for the work put into this document. Please find below some non-blocking COMMENT points (but replies would be appreciated even if … [Ballot comment] Thank you for the work put into this document. Please find below some non-blocking COMMENT points (but replies would be appreciated even if only for my own education). Special thanks to Mike McBride the shepherd's write-up including the section about the WG consensus. I hope that this helps to improve the document, Regards, -éric == COMMENTS == Does the use of BFD prevent the use of normal PIM detection? It is a little unclear from the text and I hope that BFD comes on the top of normal PIM detection mode. -- Section 2.3 -- Please add "All received BFD Control packets that are demultiplexed to the session MUST be discarded if the received TTL or Hop Limit is not equal to 255." Copied from RFC 5881. -- Section 4 -- The security section appears rather light to me as now any BFD security issues can also impact PIM. |
2021-11-30
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09 | Éric Vyncke | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Éric Vyncke |
2021-11-30
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09 | Éric Vyncke | Request closed, assignment withdrawn: Zhen Cao Telechat INTDIR review |
2021-11-30
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09 | Éric Vyncke | Closed request for Telechat review by INTDIR with state 'Withdrawn': The document is on the IESG telechat in 2 days (deadline was today). No need … Closed request for Telechat review by INTDIR with state 'Withdrawn': The document is on the IESG telechat in 2 days (deadline was today). No need anymore for a review (still welcome by the authors probably). |
2021-11-29
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09 | Erik Kline | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Erik Kline |
2021-11-29
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09 | Francesca Palombini | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Francesca Palombini |
2021-11-29
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09 | Lars Eggert | [Ballot comment] Thanks to Meral Shirazipour for their General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) review (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gen-art/3VY7s4HnPhPf8ijxLhhh9gHNp10). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All comments below are about very minor … [Ballot comment] Thanks to Meral Shirazipour for their General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) review (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gen-art/3VY7s4HnPhPf8ijxLhhh9gHNp10). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All comments below are about very minor potential issues that you may choose to address in some way - or ignore - as you see fit. Some were flagged by automated tools (via https://github.com/larseggert/ietf-reviewtool), so there will likely be some false positives. There is no need to let me know what you did with these suggestions. Section 2.1. , paragraph 5, nit: > affecting the PIM state in any way. Thus the tail stops using BFD to monitor > ^^^^ A comma may be missing after the conjunctive/linking adverb "Thus". |
2021-11-29
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09 | Lars Eggert | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Lars Eggert |
2021-11-29
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09 | Robert Wilton | [Ballot comment] Hi, I was surprised by both of the statements in section 2.3 (but that may just be due to my lack of BFD … [Ballot comment] Hi, I was surprised by both of the statements in section 2.3 (but that may just be due to my lack of BFD expertise): 1. Wouldn't the base BFD protocol specify the TTL or Hop Limit? Or is there a special/different consideration when BFD is being used for this use case that justifies RFC 2119 language? 2. This may just be my lack of BFD knowledge because I had assumed that BFD sessions could be shared between different protocols wanting fast failure detection, and hence I was surprised that the p2mp BFD session MUST be targeted to the ALL-PIM-ROUTERs multicast address? Thanks, Rob |
2021-11-29
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09 | Robert Wilton | Ballot comment text updated for Robert Wilton |
2021-11-29
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09 | Robert Wilton | [Ballot comment] Hi, I was surprised by both of the statements in section 2.3 (but that may just be due to my lack of BFD … [Ballot comment] Hi, I was surprised by both of the statements in section 2.3 (but that may just be due to my lack of BFD expertise): 1. Wouldn't the base BFD protocol specify the TTL or Hop Limit? Or is there a special/different consideration when BFD is being used for this use case? 2. This may just be my lack of BFD knowledge because I had assumed that BFD sessions could be shared between different protocols wanting fast failure detection, and hence I was surprised that the p2mp BFD session MUST be targeted to the ALL-PIM-ROUTERs multicast address? Thanks, Rob |
2021-11-29
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09 | Robert Wilton | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Robert Wilton |
2021-11-27
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09 | Benjamin Kaduk | [Ballot comment] Do we want to provide any guidance on how to configure the BFD parameters (most notably the timeout intervals)? (I assume the answer … [Ballot comment] Do we want to provide any guidance on how to configure the BFD parameters (most notably the timeout intervals)? (I assume the answer is "no", but still have to ask.) Section 1 Among specific characteristics of p2mp BFD that particularly benefit PIM-SM over a LAN segment is a faster transition to the Up state of the p2mp BFD session due to avoidance of the three-way handshake required in p2p BFD [RFC5880]. [...] I'm not sure I understand how this works. RFC 8562 seems to require the head node to stay in down state for the max timeout before transitioning to "up" and starting to send control packets. With a three-way handshake there is immediate feedback at startup and, while there is a round-trip cost incurred, there is no mandatory enforced delay. Could you say a bit more about which scenarios are being compared so that p2mp BFD is faster to Up than p2p BFD? Point-to- multipoint (p2mp) BFD can enable faster detection of PIM-SM router failure and thus minimize multicast service disruption. [...] Just to confirm: here, the comparison is PIM-SM without BFD against PIM-SM with (p2mp) BFD, right? So that we're going from 105 seconds to potentially sub-second detection. Assuming that, I'd consider "faster detection of PIM-SM router failure compared to PIM-SM without BFD". Section 2.1 Note that any PIM-SM router, regardless of its role, MAY become a head of a p2mp BFD session. [...] While I don't see any problem with this behavior, I'm also a bit confused as to when an arbitrary (i.e., non-RP) router would benefit from being the head of a p2mp BFD session. Also, RFC 7761 doesn't seem to use "role" as a defined term, so there may be some room for clarification if we had particular roles in mind. If a PIM-SM router is configured to monitor the head by using p2mp BFD, referred to through this document as 'tail', receives a PIM- Hello packet with the BFD Discriminator PIM Hello option, the tail Since we're presuming that the tail is configured to monitor "the head", does this behavior only apply to PIM-Hello packets received specifically from "the head" (as opposed to all received PIM-Hello packets)? If the tail detects a MultipointHead failure [RFC8562], it MUST delete the corresponding neighbor state and follow procedures defined in [RFC7761]. Do we want to give a more precise reference for which RFC 7761 procedures are to be followed in this case? (Perhaps, the neighbor.timeout behavior?) (Also, we might clarify that the neighbor state being deleted is the PIM state, not the BFD state.) Section 2.2 The head router administratively sets the bfd.SessionState to Up in the MultipointHead session [RFC8562] only if it is a Group Designated Router (GDR) Candidate, as specified in Sections 5.5 and 5.6 of [RFC8775]. If the router is no longer the GDR, then it MUST shut down following the procedures described in Section 5.9 [RFC8562]. [...] There seems to be a slight mismatch, here -- we start the BFD session if we're a GDR *Candidate*, and stop it if we're no longer *the GDR*. So what do we do if we are a candidate but not the selected GDR? For each GDR Candidate that includes BFD Discriminator option in its PIM Hello, the PIM DR creates a MultipointTail session [RFC8562]. [...] Interestingly, this seems to be a stronger requirement on the tail than in the non-RFC8775 case, where we just say "MAY create a p2mp BFD session of type MultipointTail". It might be worth emphasizing the contrast by using "MUST" here (assuming that the contrast is intended). If PIM DR detects a failure of one of the sessions, it MUST remove that router from the GDR Candidate list and immediately transmit a new DRLB-List option. Is this "MUST ... immediately transmit" going to run any risk of causing a traffic spike/congestion? I find it unlikely, but am not really an expert here. Section 2.3 The MultipointHead of a p2mp BFD session when transmitting BFD Control packets: MUST set TTL or Hop Limit value to 255 (Section 5 [RFC5881]); Is there a corresponding requirement or recommendation on tails to reject BFD Control packets with received TTL or Hop Limit not equal to 255? Where is this requirement specified? Section 4 The security considerations discussed in [RFC7761], [RFC5880], [RFC8562], and [RFC8775] apply to this document. Do the considerations of RFC 5881 also apply? NITS Section 1 Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) [RFC5880] had been originally defined to detect a failure of a point-to-point (p2p) I'd s/had been/was/ -- the "had been" verb tense feels out of place here. |
2021-11-27
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09 | Benjamin Kaduk | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Benjamin Kaduk |
2021-11-26
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09 | Martin Vigoureux | [Ballot discuss] Hi, thank you for your work. I have two points I'd like to discuss with you: 1/ You write: If the value … [Ballot discuss] Hi, thank you for your work. I have two points I'd like to discuss with you: 1/ You write: If the value of the OptionLength field is not equal to 4, the BFD Discriminator PIM Hello option is considered malformed, and the receiver MUST stop processing PIM Hello options. Do you mean ignore all other options that would be in the PIM Hello message? I rapidly skimmed through 7761 and could not find such requirement nor an indication that documents defining new Hello options would have to define how to treat options when at least one is malformed. It may be that I simply failed to find the relevant text in PIM specs but I'd nevertheless appreciate if you could elaborate a bit on this. 2/ Twice you write that a PIM-SM router MAY/can become a head. First time in 2nd paragraph of 2.1, and the second time in 2.2. "become" gives a sense of automation, meaning without human intervention, and this is apparently confirmed by section 2.2 where becoming a head is driven by the node becoming a GDR. The issue I have is that 8562 is pretty explicit about the fact that the transition to Up state for a head is administratively controlled. You take great care in reusing that word (The head router administratively sets the bfd.SessionState to Up in the MultipointHead session) but I'm not sure this is sufficient to make this an administratively driven action. Maybe it's simply a discussion about the meaning of "administratively", but according to the understanding I have of this word (which is influenced by the typical use of it in router implementations), it seems to me that this document departs from 8562. Thank you |
2021-11-26
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09 | Martin Vigoureux | [Ballot comment] additionally, here are some minor comments: it precisely characterizes deployment scenarios for PIM-SM over a LAN segment. What do you mean … [Ballot comment] additionally, here are some minor comments: it precisely characterizes deployment scenarios for PIM-SM over a LAN segment. What do you mean here? I couldn't find any mention of PIM-SM over a LAN segment in RFC8562. HeadDiscriminator: equals the value of My Discriminator ([RFC5880]) allocated by the head. I would specify here that it MUST always be present and MUST NOT be zero. The head MUST include the BFD Discriminator option in its Hello messages, and it MUST include a 4-byte HeadDiscriminator with a value other than zero. Should this more precisely be written as: The head MUST include the BFD Discriminator PIM Hello option in its PIM Hello messages, and it MUST include a 4-byte HeadDiscriminator with a value other than zero. If you implement the change I have suggested above then you could remove the second part of the sentence. For the tail to correctly demultiplex BFD [RFC8562], the source address, and My Discriminator values of the BFD packets MUST be the same as those of the HeadDiscriminator in the PIM Hello message. This is not fully clear. Do you mean: For the tail to correctly demultiplex BFD [RFC8562], the source address and My Discriminator of the BFD packets MUST be the same as the source address and the HeadDiscriminator, respectively, of the PIM Hello message. s/The document/This document/ |
2021-11-26
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09 | Martin Vigoureux | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Martin Vigoureux |
2021-11-22
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09 | Martin Duke | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Martin Duke |
2021-11-19
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09 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - Actions Needed from Version Changed - Review Needed |
2021-10-30
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09 | Bernie Volz | Request for Telechat review by INTDIR is assigned to Zhen Cao |
2021-10-30
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09 | Bernie Volz | Request for Telechat review by INTDIR is assigned to Zhen Cao |
2021-10-28
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09 | Éric Vyncke | Requested Telechat review by INTDIR |
2021-10-26
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09 | Cindy Morgan | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2021-12-02 |
2021-10-26
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09 | Alvaro Retana | Ballot has been issued |
2021-10-26
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09 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Alvaro Retana |
2021-10-26
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09 | Alvaro Retana | Created "Approve" ballot |
2021-10-26
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09 | Alvaro Retana | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead::External Party |
2021-10-26
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09 | Alvaro Retana | Ballot writeup was changed |
2021-10-26
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09 | Andy Smith | Request for Last Call review by RTGDIR Completed: Ready. Reviewer: Andy Smith. Sent review to list. |
2021-10-26
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09 | Sabrina Tanamal | IANA Experts State changed to Expert Reviews OK from Reviews assigned |
2021-10-12
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09 | Luc André Burdet | Request for Last Call review by RTGDIR is assigned to Andy Smith |
2021-10-12
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09 | Luc André Burdet | Request for Last Call review by RTGDIR is assigned to Andy Smith |
2021-10-12
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09 | Luc André Burdet | Assignment of request for Last Call review by RTGDIR to Loa Andersson was marked no-response |
2021-10-07
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09 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA - Not OK |
2021-10-07
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09 | Greg Mirsky | New version available: draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-09.txt |
2021-10-07
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09 | (System) | New version accepted (logged-in submitter: Greg Mirsky) |
2021-10-07
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09 | Greg Mirsky | Uploaded new revision |
2021-10-07
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08 | Alvaro Retana | Waiting for the rtg-dir review. |
2021-10-07
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08 | Alvaro Retana | IESG state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead::External Party from Waiting for Writeup |
2021-09-28
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08 | (System) | IESG state changed to Waiting for Writeup from In Last Call |
2021-09-26
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08 | Meral Shirazipour | Request for Last Call review by GENART Completed: Ready. Reviewer: Meral Shirazipour. Sent review to list. |
2021-09-24
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08 | Sabrina Tanamal | IANA Experts State changed to Reviews assigned |
2021-09-24
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08 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA - Not OK from IANA - Review Needed |
2021-09-24
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08 | Sabrina Tanamal | (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Functions Operator has completed its review of draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-08. If any part of this review is inaccurate, please let … (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Functions Operator has completed its review of draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-08. If any part of this review is inaccurate, please let us know. The IANA Functions Operator understands that, upon approval of this document, there is a single action which we must complete. In the PIM-Hello Options registry on the Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) Parameters registry page located at: https://www.iana.org/assignments/pim-parameters/ a new option is to be registered as follows: Value: [ TBD-at-Registration ] Length: 4 Name: BFD Discriminator Option Reference: [ RFC-to-be ] As this document requests registrations in a Specification Required (see RFC 8126) registry, we will initiate the required Expert Review via a separate request. This review must be completed before the document's IANA state can be changed to "IANA OK." The IANA Functions Operator understands that this is the only action required to be completed upon approval of this document. Note: The actions requested in this document will not be completed until the document has been approved for publication as an RFC. This message is meant only to confirm the list of actions that will be performed. Thank you, Sabrina Tanamal Lead IANA Services Specialist |
2021-09-24
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08 | Greg Mirsky | New version available: draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-08.txt |
2021-09-24
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08 | (System) | New version approved |
2021-09-24
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08 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Greg Mirsky , Ji Xiaoli |
2021-09-24
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08 | Greg Mirsky | Uploaded new revision |
2021-09-22
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07 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Sarah Banks |
2021-09-22
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07 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Sarah Banks |
2021-09-21
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07 | Russ Housley | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR Completed: Has Issues. Reviewer: Russ Housley. Sent review to list. |
2021-09-17
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07 | Haomian Zheng | Request for Last Call review by RTGDIR is assigned to Loa Andersson |
2021-09-17
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07 | Haomian Zheng | Request for Last Call review by RTGDIR is assigned to Loa Andersson |
2021-09-16
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07 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Meral Shirazipour |
2021-09-16
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07 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Meral Shirazipour |
2021-09-16
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07 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Russ Housley |
2021-09-16
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07 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Russ Housley |
2021-09-14
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07 | Amy Vezza | IANA Review state changed to IANA - Review Needed |
2021-09-14
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07 | Amy Vezza | The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2021-09-28): From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: aretana.ietf@gmail.com, draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case@ietf.org, mmcbride7@gmail.com, pim-chairs@ietf.org, pim@ietf.org … The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2021-09-28): From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: aretana.ietf@gmail.com, draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case@ietf.org, mmcbride7@gmail.com, pim-chairs@ietf.org, pim@ietf.org Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (Fast Failover in Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode (PIM-SM) Using Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for Multipoint Networks) to Proposed Standard The IESG has received a request from the Protocols for IP Multicast WG (pim) to consider the following document: - 'Fast Failover in Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode (PIM-SM) Using Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for Multipoint Networks' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2021-09-28. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document specifies how Bidirectional Forwarding Detection for multipoint networks can provide sub-second failover for routers that participate in Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode (PIM-SM). An extension to the PIM Hello message used to bootstrap a point-to- multipoint BFD session is also defined in this document. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/4172/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3302/ |
2021-09-14
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07 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2021-09-14
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07 | Alvaro Retana | Requested Last Call review by RTGDIR |
2021-09-14
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07 | Alvaro Retana | Last call was requested |
2021-09-14
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07 | Alvaro Retana | Ballot approval text was generated |
2021-09-14
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07 | Alvaro Retana | Ballot writeup was generated |
2021-09-14
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07 | Alvaro Retana | IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation::AD Followup |
2021-09-14
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07 | Alvaro Retana | Last call announcement was generated |
2021-09-10
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07 | (System) | Changed action holders to Alvaro Retana (IESG state changed) |
2021-09-10
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07 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed |
2021-09-10
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07 | Greg Mirsky | New version available: draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-07.txt |
2021-09-10
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07 | (System) | New version approved |
2021-09-10
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07 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Greg Mirsky , Ji Xiaoli |
2021-09-10
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07 | Greg Mirsky | Uploaded new revision |
2021-08-17
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06 | Alvaro Retana | https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pim/d6r2cA93Ra25L1rATWxPbuTtsEw/ |
2021-08-17
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06 | (System) | Changed action holders to Alvaro Retana, Greg Mirsky, Ji Xiaoli (IESG state changed) |
2021-08-17
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06 | Alvaro Retana | IESG state changed to AD Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from AD Evaluation::AD Followup |
2021-08-04
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06 | (System) | Changed action holders to Alvaro Retana (IESG state changed) |
2021-08-04
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06 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed |
2021-08-04
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06 | Greg Mirsky | New version available: draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-06.txt |
2021-08-04
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06 | (System) | New version accepted (logged-in submitter: Greg Mirsky) |
2021-08-04
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06 | Greg Mirsky | Uploaded new revision |
2021-07-13
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05 | Alvaro Retana | === AD Review of draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-05 == https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pim/oSOkYL6y9cFihBTSYoF45MR9y40/ |
2021-07-13
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05 | (System) | Changed action holders to Alvaro Retana, Greg Mirsky, Ji Xiaoli (IESG state changed) |
2021-07-13
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05 | Alvaro Retana | IESG state changed to AD Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from AD Evaluation |
2021-06-21
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05 | (System) | Changed action holders to Alvaro Retana (IESG state changed) |
2021-06-21
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05 | Alvaro Retana | IESG state changed to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested |
2021-06-21
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05 | Alvaro Retana | Notification list changed to mmcbride7@gmail.com, aretana.ietf@gmail.com from mmcbride7@gmail.com |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | As required by RFC 4858, this is the current template for the Document Shepherd Write-Up. Changes are expected over time. This version is dated … As required by RFC 4858, this is the current template for the Document Shepherd Write-Up. Changes are expected over time. This version is dated 1 November 2019. (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Proposed Standard (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary: This document discusses the use of Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for multi-point networks to provide nodes that participate in Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode (PIM-SM) with sub- second convergence. An optional extension to PIM-SM Hello, as specified in RFC 7761, to bootstrap a point-to-multipoint BFD session, is also defined in this document. Working Group Summary: The draft was developed for over 2 years and when it came time for WGLC we had full consensus. Document Quality: There was thorough review by individuals representing multiple vendors. But there are no implementations currently. Personnel: Who is the Document Shepherd? Mike McBride Who is the Responsible Area Director? Alvaro Retana (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. There are a few nit areas, to improve readability, that the authors will fix and submit in a new version. Otherwise it's ready for publication. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No concerns (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. No (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why? Yes. IPR has been disclosed by authors. (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No problem as a WG with IPR disclosure. (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Solid support from multiple vendors and service providers. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) No. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. I identified nits in the sentence structure of the Abstract which the authors will fix. ID Nits is AOK. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, YANG Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review requested or needed. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes. (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? There are two normative references that are progressing and should be ready for advancement soon. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No. (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 8126). IANA registry has been clearly identified. This draft allocates a new OptionType value from the PIM Hello Options registry. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. N/A (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, YANG modules, etc. N/A (20) If the document contains a YANG module, has the module been checked with any of the recommended validation tools (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-review-tools) for syntax and formatting validation? If there are any resulting errors or warnings, what is the justification for not fixing them at this time? Does the YANG module comply with the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) as specified in RFC8342? N/A |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | As required by RFC 4858, this is the current template for the Document Shepherd Write-Up. Changes are expected over time. This version is dated … As required by RFC 4858, this is the current template for the Document Shepherd Write-Up. Changes are expected over time. This version is dated 1 November 2019. (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Proposed Standard (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary: This document discusses the use of Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for multi-point networks to provide nodes that participate in Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode (PIM-SM) with sub- second convergence. An optional extension to PIM-SM Hello, as specified in RFC 7761, to bootstrap a point-to-multipoint BFD session, is also defined in this document. Working Group Summary: The draft was developed for over 2 years and when it came time for WGLC we had full consensus. Document Quality: There was thorough review by individuals representing multiple vendors. But there are no implementations currently. Personnel: Who is the Document Shepherd? Mike McBride Who is the Responsible Area Director? Alvaro Retana (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. There are a few nit areas, to improve readability, that the authors will fix and submit in a new version. Otherwise it's ready for publication. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No concerns (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. No (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why? Yes. IPR has been disclosed by authors. (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No problem as a WG with IPR disclosure. (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Solid support from multiple vendors and service providers. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) No. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. I identified nits in the sentence structure of the Abstract which the authors will fix. ID Nits is AOK. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, YANG Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review requested or needed. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes. (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? There are two normative references that are progressing and should be ready for advancement soon. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No. (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 8126). IANA registry has been clearly identified. This draft allocates a new OptionType value from the PIM Hello Options registry. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. N/A (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, YANG modules, etc. N/A (20) If the document contains a YANG module, has the module been checked with any of the recommended validation tools (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-review-tools) for syntax and formatting validation? If there are any resulting errors or warnings, what is the justification for not fixing them at this time? Does the YANG module comply with the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) as specified in RFC8342? N/A |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | Responsible AD changed to Alvaro Retana |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | Responsible AD changed to Alvaro Retana |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | IESG state changed to Publication Requested from I-D Exists |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | IETF WG state changed to Submitted to IESG for Publication from WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | IESG state changed to Publication Requested from I-D Exists |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | IESG process started in state Publication Requested |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | IESG process started in state Publication Requested |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | As required by RFC 4858, this is the current template for the Document Shepherd Write-Up. Changes are expected over time. This version is dated … As required by RFC 4858, this is the current template for the Document Shepherd Write-Up. Changes are expected over time. This version is dated 1 November 2019. (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Proposed Standard (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary: This document discusses the use of Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for multi-point networks to provide nodes that participate in Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode (PIM-SM) with sub- second convergence. An optional extension to PIM-SM Hello, as specified in RFC 7761, to bootstrap a point-to-multipoint BFD session, is also defined in this document. Working Group Summary: The draft was developed for over 2 years and when it came time for WGLC we had full consensus. Document Quality: There was thorough review by individuals representing multiple vendors. But there are no implementations currently. Personnel: Who is the Document Shepherd? Mike McBride Who is the Responsible Area Director? Alvaro Retana (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. There are a few nit areas, to improve readability, that the authors will fix and submit in a new version. Otherwise it's ready for publication. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No concerns (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. No (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why? Yes. IPR has been disclosed by authors. (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No problem as a WG with IPR disclosure. (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Solid support from multiple vendors and service providers. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) No. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. I identified nits in the sentence structure of the Abstract which the authors will fix. ID Nits is AOK. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, YANG Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review requested or needed. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes. (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? There are two normative references that are progressing and should be ready for advancement soon. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No. (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 8126). IANA registry has been clearly identified. This draft allocates a new OptionType value from the PIM Hello Options registry. (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. N/A (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, YANG modules, etc. N/A (20) If the document contains a YANG module, has the module been checked with any of the recommended validation tools (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-review-tools) for syntax and formatting validation? If there are any resulting errors or warnings, what is the justification for not fixing them at this time? Does the YANG module comply with the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) as specified in RFC8342? N/A |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | Notification list changed to mmcbride7@gmail.com because the document shepherd was set |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | Document shepherd changed to Mike McBride |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | IETF WG state changed to WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up from WG Document |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | Changed consensus to Yes from Unknown |
2021-01-29
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05 | Mike McBride | Intended Status changed to Proposed Standard from None |
2020-11-30
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05 | Greg Mirsky | New version available: draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-05.txt |
2020-11-30
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05 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-11-30
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05 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Ji Xiaoli , Greg Mirsky |
2020-11-30
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05 | Greg Mirsky | Uploaded new revision |
2020-07-31
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Jenny Bui | Posted related IPR disclosure ZTE Corporation's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case | |
2020-07-25
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04 | Greg Mirsky | New version available: draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-04.txt |
2020-07-25
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04 | (System) | New version accepted (logged-in submitter: Greg Mirsky) |
2020-07-25
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04 | Greg Mirsky | Uploaded new revision |
2020-01-22
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03 | Greg Mirsky | New version available: draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-03.txt |
2020-01-22
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03 | (System) | New version approved |
2020-01-22
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03 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Gregory Mirsky , Ji Xiaoli |
2020-01-22
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03 | Greg Mirsky | Uploaded new revision |
2019-07-25
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02 | Greg Mirsky | New version available: draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-02.txt |
2019-07-25
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02 | (System) | New version approved |
2019-07-25
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02 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Gregory Mirsky , Ji Xiaoli |
2019-07-25
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02 | Greg Mirsky | Uploaded new revision |
2019-07-22
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01 | Stig Venaas | Added to session: IETF-105: pim Thu-1330 |
2019-06-17
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01 | Greg Mirsky | New version available: draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-01.txt |
2019-06-17
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01 | (System) | New version approved |
2019-06-17
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01 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Gregory Mirsky , Ji Xiaoli |
2019-06-17
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01 | Greg Mirsky | Uploaded new revision |
2019-05-09
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00 | (System) | Document has expired |
2018-11-05
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00 | Mike McBride | This document now replaces draft-mirsky-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case instead of None |
2018-11-05
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00 | Greg Mirsky | New version available: draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-00.txt |
2018-11-05
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00 | (System) | WG -00 approved |
2018-10-22
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00 | Greg Mirsky | Set submitter to "Greg Mirsky ", replaces to draft-mirsky-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case and sent approval email to group chairs: pim-chairs@ietf.org |
2018-10-22
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00 | Greg Mirsky | Uploaded new revision |