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Session Initiation Protocol Event Package for Voice Quality Reporting
draft-ietf-sipping-rtcp-summary-13

Yes

(Jon Peterson)
(Robert Sparks)

No Objection

(Gonzalo Camarillo)
(Jari Arkko)
(Lars Eggert)
(Ralph Droms)
(Ron Bonica)
(Sean Turner)
(Stewart Bryant)

Abstain

(Chris Newman)

No Record

(Cullen Jennings)

Note: This ballot was opened for revision 13 and is now closed.

Dan Romascanu Former IESG member
(was No Objection, Discuss) Yes
Yes (2009-07-31) Unknown
 Section 4.6.2.3 and 4.6.2.13 - I do not understand what is the usage of the following:

Payload Desc

This parameter is not mapped from any specific SDP 
or RTP field; provides a text description of the 
Payload Type/codec.

  RLQEstAlg 

  This field provides a text description of the algorithm used 
  to estimate ListeningQualityR.  

  RCQEstAlg 

  This field provides a text description of the algorithm used 
  to estimate ConversationalQualityR

How is interoperability ensured without a proper register that defines what text applies to each algorithm?
Jon Peterson Former IESG member
Yes
Yes () Unknown

                            
Robert Sparks Former IESG member
Yes
Yes () Unknown

                            
Adrian Farrel Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection (2010-02-02) Unknown
Unclear on the use use of references within the ABNF comments.
Sometimes they are used, and sometimes not.
Suspect that (as per MIB Modules) they should not be used.

Wonder if the Proto Writeup should be updated. This would certainly have caught Alexey's issues with the ABNF.
Alexey Melnikov Former IESG member
(was Discuss) No Objection
No Objection (2010-03-10) Unknown
[Updated as per draft-ietf-sipping-rtcp-summary-10.txt]

The document shepherd/sponsoring AD should rerun
<http://tools.ietf.org/tools/bap/abnf.cgi> on the ABNF from this document.


       ; SignalLevel will normally be a negative value
       ; the absence of the negative sign indicates a positive value

I think "." is missing at the end of the previous line.

       ; where the signal level is negative, the sign MUST be
       ; included.This metric applies to the speech signal decoded
       ; from the received packet stream.

       SignalLevel = "SL" EQUAL (["-"] 1*2DIGIT)



       RLQEstAlg = "RLQEstAlg" EQUAL word ; "P.564", or other

Some pointer where P.564 is defined would be good hear.


4.6.2.2.  Timestamps

   Following SIP and other IETF convention, timestamps are provided in
   Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) using the ABNF format provided in
   RFC 3339 [7].

ABNF for timestamps allows for timezones, so it would be good to mention
in the ABNF section that timezones other than "Z" are not allowed.



4.6.2.11.2.  RLQEstAlg

   This field provides a text name for the algorithm used to estimate
   ListeningQualityR.

Is there an IANA registry for such algorithms, or does this field
contain free form text?

4.6.2.11.4.  RCQEstAlg

   This field provides a text name for the algorithm used to estimate
   ConversationalQualityR.

As above.

4.6.2.11.6.  ExtRInEstAlg

   This field provides a text name for the algorithm used to estimate
   ExternalR-In.

As above.

4.6.2.11.8.  ExtROutEstAlg

   This field provides a text name for the algorithm used to estimate
   ExternalR-Out.  Conversion of RFC3611 reported MOS scores for use in
   reporting MOS-LQ and MOS-CQ MUST be performed by dividing the RFC3611
   reported value by 10 if this value is less than or equal to 50 or
   omitting the MOS-xQ parameter if the RFC3611 reported value is 127
   (which indicates unavailable).

All but the first sentence don't seem to belong to this section.

4.6.2.11.11.  MOSCQEstAlg

   This field provides a text name for the algorithm used to estimate
   MOS-CQ.

Is there an IANA registry for such algorithms, or does this field
contain free form text?
David Harrington Former IESG member
(was Discuss) No Objection
No Objection (2010-08-09) Unknown



David Ward Former IESG member
(was Discuss) No Objection
No Objection (2007-07-03) Unknown
Agree w/ above comments that doc needs a spin
Gonzalo Camarillo Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection () Unknown

                            
Jari Arkko Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection () Unknown

                            
Lars Eggert Former IESG member
(was Discuss) No Objection
No Objection (2010-02-02) Unknown

                            
Peter Saint-Andre Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection (2010-07-14) Unknown
1. Section 4.4 talks about subscription duration but not about when to cancel a subscription (by either the reporter or the collector); for example, it might be appropriate to recommend cancelling the subscription when the voice session had ended?

2. The RemoteID "bill@elpmaxe.org" does not conform to RFC 2606.

3. The references to draft-ietf-sipping-config-framework and RFC 5389 appear to be informative, not normative.
Ralph Droms Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection () Unknown

                            
Ron Bonica Former IESG member
(was Discuss) No Objection
No Objection () Unknown

                            
Russ Housley Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection (2010-07-13) Unknown
  Some of the comments in the Gen-ART Review by Scott Brim were
  not addressed.  Please consider them.

  In Secrion 3.4 (Overload Avoidance) has small editorial issues

  - Typo: "MUST send a 503 Service Unavailable or other 5xx esponse"

  - "on these responses and respect the retry after time interval."
    Perhaps it should say "Retry-After."
Sean Turner Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection () Unknown

                            
Stewart Bryant Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection () Unknown

                            
Tim Polk Former IESG member
(was No Record, Discuss) No Objection
No Objection (2007-07-03) Unknown
In 4.2.6.10, the specifications for both Round Trip Delay and End System Delay end with

"This parameter does no require any conversion."

Perhaps "no" should be "not" in both cases?
Chris Newman Former IESG member
Abstain
Abstain () Unknown

                            
Lisa Dusseault Former IESG member
Abstain
Abstain (2007-07-02) Unknown
What happened to Colin Perkins' comments?
http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sipping/current/msg13836.html

I don't feel that metrics reporting should typically happen at this layer.
Magnus Westerlund Former IESG member
(was Discuss) Abstain
Abstain (2009-07-29) Unknown
As the authors don't want to change the format at all to address the issues I don't see how good resolution of the issues can be done. Rather than spending more time on this document to fix things that aren't fixed in a good way I are abstaining. 

The main issues that aren't really addressed, only worked around are:
- SSRC multiplexing model
- Do not handles dynamic parameters in a good way
- Parameters for whole call are not statistically processed in a really usable way. Instead of an average over all, better statics should be provied, like max, min, avg, variation.
Sam Hartman Former IESG member
Abstain
Abstain (2007-07-05) Unknown
I'm uncomfortable with the use of the publish method with this package.
Cullen Jennings Former IESG member
(was Abstain, Discuss) No Record
No Record () Unknown