RTP Control Protocol (RTCP) Extended Report (XR) Block for the Bytes Discarded Metric
draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-bytes-discarded-metric-02

[Ballot comment]
Thanks for a well-written document.

As pointed out by Vijay in his Gen-ART review, in Section 6,

  In some situations, returning very
  detailed error information (e.g., over-range measurement or
  measurement unavailable) using this report block can provide an
  attacker with insight into the security processing.  Implementers
  should consider the guidance in [I-D.ietf-avt-srtp-not-mandatory] for
  using appropriate security mechanisms, i.e., where security is a
  concern, the implementation should apply encryption and
  authentication to the report block.

the text does not really describe what security issue is being an issue here. I also read draft-ietf-avt-srtp-not-mandatory, but it did not talk about this specific issue. In the e-mail discussion a brief mention of the rational was given. I think it would be useful to add some text here. But this is an editorial issue, not a blocking-level comment.

[Ballot comment]
I put myself in the shoes of the operator looking at the different extended reports, and I'm trying to understand how to correlate the number of discarded bytes with  number of discarded packets from the different extended reports.

From the document, there could be 3 different extended reports reporting the number of discarded packets:

  o  Reporting the number of discarded packets in a measurement
      interval, i.e., during either the last reporting interval or since
      the beginning of the session, as indicated by a flag in the
      suggested XR report [RFC7002].  If an endpoint needs to report
      packet discard due to other reasons than early- and late-arrival
      (for example, discard due to duplication, redundancy, etc.)  then
      it should consider using the Discarded Packets Report Block
      [RFC7002].

  o  Reporting gaps and bursts of discarded packets during a
      measurement interval, i.e., the last reporting interval or the
      duration of the session [RFC7003].

  o  Reporting run-length encoding of discarded packet during a
      measurement interval, i.e., between a set of sequence numbers
      [I-D.ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-discard-rle-metrics].


First of all, it would be nice to mention that the measurement intervals from the different extended reports are synchronized.
Talking to Dan Romacanu (btw thanks Dan), I understand that the number of bytes can be correlated to the number of packet in bullet 1 (RFC 7002) and/or in the bullet 3 ([I-D.ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-discard-rle-metrics]), depending on the flag value expressing whether we speak about delta or running counters.
A few sentences (or a new section) about this would be an extremely useful addition from an operational point of view.

Note: it was confusing to me that  [I-D.ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-discard-rle-metrics] refers to http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-discard-rle-metrics-06, a very old version of the draft ... which still contains the bytes extended report. Mentioning RFC 7097 obviously solves that one. Thanks again Dan for gently highlighting the obvious to me :-)

[Ballot comment]
-- Section 7.3 --

In the discussion of draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-synchronization, Pete brought up the question of using an individual as the contact point for working group stuff.  I suggest that this document should use the same resolution as that one, specifying the RAI ADs .

IESG/Authors/WG Chairs:

IANA has reviewed draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-bytes-discarded-metric-01.  Authors should review the comments and/or questions below.  Please report any inaccuracies and respond to any questions as soon as possible.

We received the following comments/questions from the IANA's reviewer:

IANA understands that, upon approval of this document, there are two actions which IANA must complete.

First, in the RTCP XR Block Type subregistry of the RTP Control Protocol Extended Reports (RTCP XR) Block Type Registry located at:

http://www.iana.org/assignments/rtcp-xr-block-types/

a new XR Block Type will be registered as follows:

BT: [ TBD-at-registration ]
Name: BDR (Bytes Discarded Report)
Reference: [ RFC-to-be ]

Second, in the RTCP XR SDP Parameters registry in the RTP Control Protocol Extended Reports (RTCP XR) Session Description Protocol (SDP) Parameters Registry located at:

http://www.iana.org/assignments/rtcp-xr-sdp-parameters/

a new XR SDP Parameter will be registered as follows:

Parameter: discard-bytes
Reference: [ RFC-to-be ]

IANA understands that these are the only actions required to be completed upon approval of this document.


Note:  The actions requested in this document will not be completed
until the document has been approved for publication as an RFC.
This message is only to confirm what actions will be performed.

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The IESG has received a request from the Metric Blocks for use with
RTCP's Extended Report Framework WG (xrblock) to consider the following
document:
- 'RTP Control Protocol (RTCP) Extended Report (XR) for Bytes Discarded
  Metric'
  as Proposed
Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
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Abstract


  The RTP Control Protocol (RTCP) is used in conjunction with the Real-
  time Transport Protocol (RTP) in to provide a variety of short-term
  and long-term reception statistics.  The available reporting may
  include aggregate information across longer periods of time as well
  as individual packet reporting.  This document specifies a report
  computing the bytes discarded from the de-jitter buffer after
  successful reception.




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No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.

I'd like to request that draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-bytes-discarded-metric-01,
"RTP Control Protocol (RTCP) Extended Report (XR) for Bytes Discarded
Metric", be published as a Standard Track RFC.

I have reviewed the draft in detail and XRBLOCK working
group was given plenty of opportunity to comment through
several WGLCs.

The contents of this document previously belonged to
draft-ietf-xrblock-xr-discard-rle-metrics [RFC7097]. Towards the end
of the IESG review, a point was made that during PM-DIR review,
Alan Clark raised a point that the two metrics that were originally covered
in RFC7097 should indeed be in a separate document. So that
implementers are not bound to implement two different metrics to
claim compliance to the RFC.

After a discussion at the IETF87, the WG decided to take out the text
regarding discarded-metric for the benefit of implementers into a
separate draft which is the draft mentioned in this publication request.

The contents of this document hasn't been changed in any technical
form since it was separated from RFC7097, this was confirmed by
few WG members during the WGLC and by me.

** Proto-Writeup *******************

Document shepherd write-up for draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-bytes-discarded-metric-01.txt

(1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard,
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The document is being requested as a Standards Track RFC.

The document defines one new Extended Report (XR)
Report Block [RFC 3611] and standards track is appropriate for this document.

Standards Track is indicated in the title page.

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Technical Summary

This draft defines a new block type to augment those defined in
[RFC3611] for use in a range of RTP applications. The new block type
supports the report computing the bytes discarded from the
de-jitter buffer after successful reception.

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There were several points of debate within the working group; however,
none were particularly rough and authors and commentators came up
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XRBLOCK through three rounds of WGLCs (Including
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