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National and Local Characters for DNS Top Level Domain (TLD) Names
draft-klensin-idn-tld-05

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Date Rev. By Action
2012-08-22
05 (System) post-migration administrative database adjustment to the No Objection position for Ted Hardie
2012-08-22
05 (System) post-migration administrative database adjustment to the No Objection position for Russ Housley
2005-06-14
05 (System) New version available: draft-klensin-idn-tld-05.txt
2005-03-21
05 Amy Vezza State Changes to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent by Amy Vezza
2005-03-16
05 Amy Vezza IESG state changed to Approved-announcement sent
2005-03-16
05 Amy Vezza IESG has approved the document
2005-03-16
05 Amy Vezza Closed "Approve" ballot
2005-03-11
05 Mark Townsley Shepherding AD has been changed to Margaret Wasserman from Thomas Narten
2005-03-03
05 Amy Vezza State Changes to Approved-announcement to be sent::Point Raised - writeup needed from IESG Evaluation by Amy Vezza
2005-03-03
05 Amy Vezza [Ballot Position Update] Position for Ted Hardie has been changed to No Objection from Discuss by Amy Vezza
2005-03-03
05 Ted Hardie
[Ballot comment]
Fundamentally, I think this is well written, but could be badly read.
Knowing John's history with this topic, I believe I understand the …
[Ballot comment]
Fundamentally, I think this is well written, but could be badly read.
Knowing John's history with this topic, I believe I understand the
impetus for putting forward a fourth choice in this critical architectural
discussion, and I appreciate the time and effort he has put into this.
Knowing as well his role in the IAB during the time in which RFC 2826
was produced, I am certain his depth of understanding of many of
these issues exceeds my own.

But I am concerned about what will happen when this is read by someone
who is not aware of this history and has no insight into the issues which
John knows so well.  (And I will happily admit that my own ignorance may
be driving my empathy for this position).  If read by someone without
a deep understanding of the need for a single DNS root and an un-partitioned
URI space, will this give rise to mischief?  I believe it could.  It is moderately
obvious that someone using local translation could translate .中 國 (4e2d, 570b)
to .tw where the dominant view would translate it to .cn .  A local translation doing that has the same
partitioning effect in URI space as multiple roots do in the DNS:  it creates a situation in which local
resolution context over-rides the overall system's ability to ensure a consistent view of the namespace.

I recommend that we ask the RFC Editor not to publish this document until it contains a discussion of
this problem (hopefully using a less hot-button example than my haste forced me to use)
2005-03-03
05 David Kessens [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for David Kessens by David Kessens
2005-03-02
05 Russ Housley [Ballot Position Update] Position for Russ Housley has been changed to No Objection from Discuss by Russ Housley
2005-03-02
05 Russ Housley
[Ballot discuss]
I have a concern with this document, and I do not believe that it
  ought to be published until this concern is …
[Ballot discuss]
I have a concern with this document, and I do not believe that it
  ought to be published until this concern is addressed.

  Comparison is not discussed.  In my view, comparison must be
  performed on the ASCII representation of a domain name.  If a
  local character set is used for comparison, then differences in
  translation tables could lead to undeterministic results.  False
  positive and false negative comparisons might result.  This is
  especially bad if domain names of this form are part of an access
  control list.
2005-03-01
05 Russ Housley
[Ballot discuss]
I suggest the following be sent to the RFC Editor:
 
    The IESG thinks that this document extends an IETF protocol …
[Ballot discuss]
I suggest the following be sent to the RFC Editor:
 
    The IESG thinks that this document extends an IETF protocol in a
    way that requires IETF review and should therefore not be
    published without IETF review and IESG approval.  In particular,
    comparison is not discussed.  If comparison is performed using
    a local character set representation of a domain name, then
    false positive and false negative comparisons might result.
2005-03-01
05 Russ Housley
[Ballot discuss]
Comparison is not discussed.  In my view, comparison must be performed
  on the ASCII representation of a domain name, otherwise differences in …
[Ballot discuss]
Comparison is not discussed.  In my view, comparison must be performed
  on the ASCII representation of a domain name, otherwise differences in
  translation tables could lead to undeterministic results.
2005-03-01
05 Russ Housley [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Russ Housley by Russ Housley
2005-03-01
05 (System) State Changes to IESG Evaluation from IESG Evaluation - Defer by system
2005-02-23
05 Ted Hardie
[Ballot discuss]
Fundamentally, I think this is well written, but could be badly read.
Knowing John's history with this topic, I believe I understand the …
[Ballot discuss]
Fundamentally, I think this is well written, but could be badly read.
Knowing John's history with this topic, I believe I understand the
impetus for putting forward a fourth choice in this critical architectural
discussion, and I appreciate the time and effort he has put into this.
Knowing as well his role in the IAB during the time in which RFC 2826
was produced, I am certain his depth of understanding of many of
these issues exceeds my own.

But I am concerned about what will happen when this is read by someone
who is not aware of this history and has no insight into the issues which
John knows so well.  (And I will happily admit that my own ignorance may
be driving my empathy for this position).  If read by someone without
a deep understanding of the need for a single DNS root and an un-partitioned
URI space, will this give rise to mischief?  I believe it could.  It is moderately
obvious that someone using local translation could translate .中 國 (4e2d, 570b)
to .tw where the dominant view would translate it to .cn .  A local translation doing that has the same
partitioning effect in URI space as multiple roots do in the DNS:  it creates a situation in which local
resolution context over-rides the overall system's ability to ensure a consistent view of the namespace.

I recommend that we ask the RFC Editor not to publish this document until it contains a discussion of
this problem (hopefully using a less hot-button example than my haste forced me to use)
2005-02-23
05 Ted Hardie [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Ted Hardie by Ted Hardie
2005-02-18
05 (System) Removed from agenda for telechat - 2005-02-17
2005-02-16
05 Ted Hardie State Changes to IESG Evaluation - Defer from IESG Evaluation by Ted Hardie
2005-02-16
05 Margaret Cullen [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Margaret Wasserman by Margaret Wasserman
2005-02-15
05 Sam Hartman [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Sam Hartman by Sam Hartman
2005-02-14
05 Scott Hollenbeck [Ballot comment]
I'm recusing since I know that my employer has an interest in this topic.
2005-02-14
05 Scott Hollenbeck [Ballot Position Update] New position, Recuse, has been recorded for Scott Hollenbeck by Scott Hollenbeck
2005-02-10
05 Thomas Narten Placed on agenda for telechat - 2005-02-17 by Thomas Narten
2005-02-10
05 Thomas Narten [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Thomas Narten
2005-02-10
05 Thomas Narten Ballot has been issued by Thomas Narten
2005-02-10
05 Thomas Narten Created "Approve" ballot
2005-02-10
05 (System) Ballot writeup text was added
2005-02-10
05 (System) Last call text was added
2005-02-10
05 (System) Ballot approval text was added
2005-02-10
05 Thomas Narten
[Note]: '2005-02-10: I''ve reviewed this and do not believe it conflicts with
any IETF work. I think is fine to be published as an Independent …
[Note]: '2005-02-10: I''ve reviewed this and do not believe it conflicts with
any IETF work. I think is fine to be published as an Independent
Submission' added by Thomas Narten
2005-02-10
05 Thomas Narten State Changes to IESG Evaluation from Publication Requested by Thomas Narten
2005-02-10
05 Thomas Narten Area acronymn has been changed to int from gen
2005-02-10
05 Thomas Narten State Change Notice email list have been change to john-ietf@jck.com from
2005-02-03
05 Harald Alvestrand Shepherding AD has been changed to Thomas Narten from Harald Alvestrand
2005-02-03
05 Michelle Cotton IANA Comments:
We understand this document to have NO IANA Actions.
2005-01-27
05 Dinara Suleymanova Draft Added by Dinara Suleymanova in state Publication Requested
2004-11-18
04 (System) New version available: draft-klensin-idn-tld-04.txt
2004-06-24
03 (System) New version available: draft-klensin-idn-tld-03.txt
2004-04-28
02 (System) New version available: draft-klensin-idn-tld-02.txt
2003-10-17
01 (System) New version available: draft-klensin-idn-tld-01.txt
2002-10-21
00 (System) New version available: draft-klensin-idn-tld-00.txt