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Network Working Group                                       B. Carpenter
Internet-Draft                                         Univ. of Auckland
Intended status: Informational                              June 6, 2018
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                          Request for Comments


   This document discusses the Internet technical community's common
   document series.

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Table of Contents

   1.  TL;DR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   2
   2.  The Problems with the RFC Series  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   2
   3.  Who Owns the RFC Series?  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3
   4.  Request for Comments means Request for Comments . . . . . . .   5
   5.  Experiments . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   6.  Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
   7.  IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
   8.  Acknowledgements  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
   9.  Informative References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
   Appendix A.  Change log [RFC Editor: Please remove] . . . . . . .   7
   Author's Address  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7

1.  TL;DR

   "I present here some of the tentative agreements reached and some of
   the open questions encountered.  Very little of what is here is firm
   and reactions are expected."  [RFC0001], Steve Crocker, 7 April 1969.

2.  The Problems with the RFC Series

   It's very clear that there are problems with the RFC series.  For
   example, [RFC0791] is so badly written that it would never pass an
   IETF working group last call, let alone an IETF last call or an IESG
   review today.  Yet it will be exercised billions of times today and
   every day.  Another example is that a newcomer wishing to implement
   even the simplest mail user agent will not find an RFC telling her
   how to do so.  A method to mitigate this problem has been proposed
   but not adopted [I-D.ietf-newtrk-sample-isd].  A related problem is
   that finding the latest version of a standard requires arcane
   knowledge; for example, someone looking for the latest IPv6 standard
   via the popular search tools is more than likely to end up consulting
   the obsolete RFC2460.  (The IETF web site's search tool returns no
   results for "IPv6 standard".)

   A major gripe about the RFC series is its limitation to ASCII and its
   reliance on typewriter-friendly formatting.  Fortunately this is
   being worked on actively, so is not further discussed here.

   An occasional annoyance is that since the RFC series is long
   established and serves a very wide community of authors, it includes
   only some documents that are formally agreed statements of IETF rough
   consensus and even fewer that are formally agreed statements of IETF
   rough consensus about proposed standards or best current practice.
   The IETF has preferred to maintain a distinction between proposed
   standards and Internet standards, which means that there are even
   fewer RFCs designated as Internet standards.  An attempt to fix that

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   particular problem by reducing the number and hence complexity of the
   categories [RFC6410] has not appeared to make significant
   improvements in either the confusion or the ratio of Internet
   Standards to Proposed ones.  Efforts to reduce the distinction and
   provide stable references to at least the current versions of updated
   standards (e.g., [I-D.klensin-std-numbers]) have received little

   This problem area has been well known for many years [RFC1796] and
   has occasionally led to concern that some vendors might mislead
   customers by claiming conformance with a non-standard RFC.  For this
   reason, the header text on RFCs was clarified some years ago such
   that readers can clearly distinguish standards from non-standards.
   The original version of this was "This memo provides information for
   the Internet community.  This memo does not specify an Internet
   standard of any kind." and has been used (with occasional updates to
   the wording) since 1994, well before [RFC1796] was published.

   There is therefore no lack of clarity, and has been none since 1994,
   about which RFCs are normative statements of consensus and which are
   not.  Certainly, some readers will bypass the header text as "TL;DR"
   (too long; didn't read) or ignore it as "DK;DC" (don't know; don't
   care) but there is literally nothing the IETF can do about that.  (In
   the new RFC format, it would be possible and perhaps desirable to use
   special typography to emphasise the document status, but it doesn't
   solve the underlying problem of human behaviour, because nothing

3.  Who Owns the RFC Series?

   I am not asking this question in a legal sense.  The copyright in the
   RFC series currently belongs to the IETF Trust in addition to the
   authors, but the Trust's purposes are broad:

         "Such purposes include, but are not limited to, the advancement
         of education and public interest by acquiring, holding,
         maintaining and licensing certain existing and future
         intellectual property and other property used in connection
         with the Internet standards process and its administration, for
         the advancement of the science and technology associated with
         the Internet and related technology."
         (IETF Trust Agreement, 2005)

   In any case, the important question is who "owns" the RFC series in
   an overall ethical and societal sense.

   It's easier to answer the converse question: who doesn't own the RFC

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   1.  It's clear that the IETF doesn't own it, because the series
       preceded the IETF by 17 years.

   2.  Therefore, of course, the IESG doesn't own it.

   3.  At some point in history, both ARPA (who funded the ARPAnet) and
       ISI (who provided RFC editing under contract) could have made a
       claim.  But that faded when a paid RFC Editor was directly
       contracted by ISOC.

   4.  ISOC could certainly make a claim, having funded the series for
       many years now.  However, ISOC, like the IETF Trust, has a broad

         "Such educational, charitable, and scientific purposes
         shall include carrying on activities:

         1. To facilitate and support the technical evolution of the
         Internet as a research and education infrastructure, and to
         stimulate the involvement of the scientific community, industry,
         government and others in the evolution of the Internet;
         2. To educate the scientific community, industry and the public
         at large concerning the technology, use and application of the
         3. To promote educational applications of Internet technology
         for the benefit of government, colleges and universities,
         industry, and the public at large;
         4. To provide a forum for exploration of new Internet
         applications, and to stimulate collaboration among organizations
         in their operational use of the global Internet."
         (Articles of Incorporation of the Internet Society)

   5.  Finally, the Internet Architecture Board could make a claim based
       on its charter [RFC2850], which states that:

         "The RFC series constitutes the archival publication channel
         for Internet Standards and for other contributions by the
         Internet research and engineering community. RFCs are available
         free of charge to anyone via the Internet. The IAB must approve
         the appointment of an organization to act as RFC Editor and the
         general policy followed by the RFC Editor."

       This text makes it clear that the RFC series is much broader in
       scope than the IETF, and limits the IAB's authority to matters of
       general policy.

   The reasonable conclusion from the above is that none of the I*
   organisations (IETF Trust, IETF, IESG, IAB or ISOC) can claim

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   exclusivity of ownership or control over the RFC series.  It is
   community property.

   An important consequence is that major decisions about the future of
   the RFC Series must be taken by a consensus of a very broad
   community.  That doesn't mean the IETF or the IAB.  It means the IETF
   and IAB, plus the IRTF, plus many other people who have contributed
   to, or made use of, the RFC Series over the last fifty years.  How to
   reach out to this community is in itself a big question.

4.  Request for Comments means Request for Comments

   Politicians make such absurd statements, so I reckon I can too.

   There is an inherent modesty in calling IETF consensus documents
   "requests for comments".  As the above quotation from RFC1 said right
   at the beginning, we get things wrong.  We want comments, we want
   errata, we want operational feedback, and we want to go round that
   loop again each time we update a standard.  When we forget that, we
   are getting dangerously close to arrogance and hubris.

   Avoiding this trap is indeed the reason that the community has always
   published a number of RFCs that are not the product of organised
   groups, formalised some years ago as the Independent Stream of RFCs
   [RFC4844].  Whether they document deployed solutions not invented in
   the IETF, or alternative solutions not accepted by the IETF, or
   informed technical opinions not discussed in the IETF, they remain
   part of the broader community's open record, and a useful counter-
   balance to any occurrence of groupthink in the IETF, IRTF or IAB.

   Calling IETF standards "requests for comments" is what distinguishes
   the IETF from most other standards organisations, and it's the right
   thing to do.

5.  Experiments

   RFC1 started an experiment, which has been fairly successful so far,
   certainly with consequences that were not foreseen at the time.
   Another experiment was the IEN (Internet Experiment Note) series,
   which ran from 1977 to 1982.  Another one was the ION (IETF
   Operational Notes) series, which ran briefly in 2006/7 [RFC4693].
   Finally, the usage of the RFC subseries designated "FYI", "STD", or
   "BCP" has had limited success.  "FYI" has been dropped, "STD" is
   fairly useless as it is only applied to full Internet standards
   (despite proposals to widen it, as mentioned above), and "BCP" has
   been reasonably successful.

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   The next planned experiment is the major upgrade of RFC formatting,
   which will inevitably cause some disturbance to the document
   production process when it goes live.

   A full analysis of these various experiments, their goals, and their
   successes and failures, seems necessary before designing any future
   experiment in the area of document series.

6.  Security Considerations

   Security issues are discussed in all recent RFCs.  This uniformity
   illustrates the coherence of the RFC series and the way it has been
   used to ensure a degree of order in the chaotic world of Internet
   design, implementation and deployment.

7.  IANA Considerations

   This document makes no request of the IANA.  Like the RFC series, the
   IANA is a service provided for the benefit of the entire Internet
   technical community in a coherent and consistent way.

8.  Acknowledgements

   Useful comments were received from John Klensin, ...

9.  Informative References

              Klensin, J., "Internet Standards Documentation (ISDs) -
              Examples", draft-ietf-newtrk-sample-isd-00 (work in
              progress), October 2004.

              Klensin, J., "STD Numbers and the IETF Standards Track",
              draft-klensin-std-numbers-01 (work in progress), February

   [RFC0001]  Crocker, S., "Host Software", RFC 1, DOI 10.17487/RFC0001,
              April 1969, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc1>.

   [RFC0791]  Postel, J., "Internet Protocol", STD 5, RFC 791,
              DOI 10.17487/RFC0791, September 1981,

   [RFC1796]  Huitema, C., Postel, J., and S. Crocker, "Not All RFCs are
              Standards", RFC 1796, DOI 10.17487/RFC1796, April 1995,

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   [RFC2850]  Internet Architecture Board and B. Carpenter, Ed.,
              "Charter of the Internet Architecture Board (IAB)",
              BCP 39, RFC 2850, DOI 10.17487/RFC2850, May 2000,

   [RFC4693]  Alvestrand, H., "IETF Operational Notes", RFC 4693,
              DOI 10.17487/RFC4693, October 2006,

   [RFC4844]  Daigle, L., Ed. and Internet Architecture Board, "The RFC
              Series and RFC Editor", RFC 4844, DOI 10.17487/RFC4844,
              July 2007, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc4844>.

   [RFC6410]  Housley, R., Crocker, D., and E. Burger, "Reducing the
              Standards Track to Two Maturity Levels", BCP 9, RFC 6410,
              DOI 10.17487/RFC6410, October 2011,

Appendix A.  Change log [RFC Editor: Please remove]

   draft-carpenter-request-for-comments-00, 2018-06-06:

   Initial version

Author's Address

   Brian Carpenter
   Department of Computer Science
   University of Auckland
   PB 92019
   Auckland  1142
   New Zealand

   Email: brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com

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