Minutes IETF103: homenet

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Meeting Minutes

IETF 103 - Homenet Agenda
Bangkok, Thailand
13:50-15:20 local time (Wednesday Afternoon session I)
Chitlada 3 room

Chairs: Stephen Farrell, Barbara Stark
Minutes: Stuart Cheshire
Jabber: Mikael Abrahamsson

Administrivia and Status Update (5m)
 - Blue Sheets
 - Note taker - TBC
 - Jabber relay - TBC
Simple Naming (Ted Lemon, 50 min)
 -- 15 minutes of this time will be dedicated to allowing people
who don't know what's going on to ask questions.
 -- draft has undergone significant changes -- please read
SecureHomeGateway project demo video (Michael Richardson, 15 minutes)
Securing the home network ? where are we at?
Charter ? should we recharter?
AOB and wrap-up (5 min)

Administrivia and Status Update
Chairs presented Chair Slides
No agenda bashing occurred.

Simple Naming
Ted Lemon presented slides.

Ted: Supporting DNS queries in multiple provisioning domains may require an
EDNS(0). Stephen Farrell: What is the process is to get an EDNS(0) codepoint
assigned? Ted Lemon: Expert Review (RFC 6891) Barbara Stark: What impediments
are discouraging vendors from rushing forward to adop this? Jared Mauch,
Akamai: People want their home networks to be simple and reliable. Michael
Richardson: This shows that our documents are not communicating our intent
clearly. Ted Lemon: Jared, have you read the document? Jared Mauch: No, I
haven’t. Mikael Abrahamsson: For my management, responding to customer requests
to fix bad Wi-Fi take higher priority. Ted Lemon: This might be a good point to
move to the “marketing” discussion.

Ted gave a broad comparison of layer-two vs. layer-three solutions, while
laying out perceived issues with homenet.

Juliusz Chroboczek (via jabber): Layer 2 mobility is an interesting issue, and
one that we've been struggling with for years. Mikael Abrahamsson: At home I
use an Ethernet backbone with two Ubiquiti Wi-Fi access points, precisely
because this works better. David Thaler: There are many ancient applications
that embed their own discovery mechanisms using multicast or broadcast.
Layer-two solutions, if they work properly, keep these discovery mechanisms
working, even if it’s not efficient. Stephen McCann: The new IEEE 802.11aq
standard adds service discovery. Michael Richardson: We need a way to have TLS
certificates for devices on the local network that don’t have globally unique
names. We need browser vendors to support IPv6 link-local addresses with
interface identifiers. Jared Mauch: Typing in FE80... addresses is not very
user-friendly. Barbara Stark: Do we have anyone else willing to help work on
this? Jared Mauch: I will help. Terry Manderson: This has been an excellent
discussion. The IETF’s goal is to make the Internet work better. We need to
work out whether this work meets that goal.

Ted presented slides

SecureHomeGateway project demo video
Michael Richardson presented
Showed YouTube video

David Thaler, Microsoft: Where does it get the MUD file from?
Michael Richardson: From the QR code.
David Thaler, Microsoft: What work does Homenet need to do here?
David Thaler, Microsoft: What app would perform this on-boarding process?
Michael Richardson: In this case it was a demo. For a real product it would be
the app for that product.

No charter discussion

AOB and wrap-up
Mikael Abrahamsson described his experience trying to deploy homenet into his