Minutes IETF105: mboned
||Minutes IETF105: mboned
IETF 105 Montreal
Thurs, July 25, 2019
Jabber Log: https://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/mboned/2019-07-25.html
Audio log: https://ietf.org/audio/ietf105/ietf105-notredame-20190725-1550.mp3
Video log: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zY8eGHF-k4
Note taker: Jake Holland and Kyle Rose
Notes take in etherpad at https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-105-mboned
Text (from 8/7/19) pasted below for reference:
IETF 105 Montreal
3:54 started, note well noted
Status of drafts
- driad wglc completed, shepherding in progress
- mcast-problems, minor revisions
- dc-deploy in wglc, please feedback
- deprecate-interdomain in wglc, please feedback
- stig: request yang doctor review, before wglc is preferred
- jake: operators apparently running it, if not obviously broken we should
- jake: ambi will be coming up again
Stig mtrace v2:
- problem with conflict in deployed traceroute code. mtracev2 is the first
iana assignment from this space, and hit a conflict. - this breaks
traceroute - toerless: who maintains this? - kros: if it's old enough, it's
grandfathered in - toerless: - lenny: windows doesn't do this, why does it
break? (4:05) - warren: there's multiple ports used in unix to race, also
in juniper - stig: need to update and/or obsolete the rfc - warren: homenet
hit something like this too. should file errata and also make a new rfc. -
jake: do we know how to avoid colliding with the chosen replacement port? -
plan: file errata, reach out to iana, resubmit new rfc, and give warren a
heads up reminder.
- hitoshi volunteered by lenny, did not object.
Charlie Perkins update on ieee802-problems (16:13):
- lenny: doing one more wglc, planning to do "silence == consent" given that it
already completed a wglc - charlie: will send a diff of all the changes from
draft -05 to draft -07 for wg review
Kyle (16:21) alta:
- toerless, stig: clarifying questions about tesla
- kyle: real asymmetric crypto is honestly better if you can have it.
- toerless: why not gcm? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galois/Counter_Mode)
- jake: gcm is symmetric.
- toerless: this is not the right wg, we are not crypto experts
- jake: secdispatch said demonstrate interest
- kyle: chairs, what do you think?
- chairs: AD, what do you think?
- warren: better to do much of this work where there's security expertise
- greg: but we can add value by explaining the use case
Jake (16:44) hackathon report:
- stig: possible to use shared libraries/LD_PRELOAD, to use this with existing
- jake: socket api important choice to some of this. Not really
cross-platform: different sockopts, etc.
- jake: hopefully TAPS API will be easier to work with than sockets
directly. One lesson from TAPS is that three different groups tried to
implement a sockets replacement and ended up deciding this is complicated,
and have been hammering at it for a few years.
- stig to point jake at code that does this.
Glenn & Leslie (16:54) mops bof update:
- glenn: smpte (https://www.smpte.org/) uses ietf protocols
- toerless: broadcast equipment has been doing this for a while, and they
always think they know better than we
- leslie: they get confused, don't know where to go
- toerless: disagree
- glenn: they seem to think they are confused.
- by the way, time is a huge topic for them.
- femi komolafe: agree presenters, customers get scared even of an ip
address, but they need answers.
- toerless: scope does seem broken
- leslie: willing to work on that
- warren: maybe dispatch/secdispatch is a precedent for something similar
- leslie: trying to help, would be pointing some to mboned of course
- purposeful cross-pollination
- greg: seems completely complementary
- lenny: look forward to collaborating
Greg (17:10) Bier update:
- time to start paying attention from ops perspective, not just protocol design
anymore - use cases would be interesting - ops inputs would be valued
toerless: traceroute api is part of the traceroute problem. the port comes out