Minutes IETF106: manet
minutes-106-manet-00

Ronald in 't Velt (chair):
This short session mainly doc status update, nothing more due to Stan's passing

In rfc queue is the
- dlep-lid-ext, Stan Ratliff and Rick Taylor

Approved
- dlep-latency-ext
- has some technical fixed needed and has been that was for over 100 days

WGLC
- credit-flow, credit-ext, traffic-class
- Expired at the beginning of Sept.
- One author, Lou Berger revived these I-Ds this morning
- Not a lot of comments during extended WGLC

Lou Berger:
- made changes when comments came in, but did not push
- it has been a while, should go through them

Ron:
- newer content than what expired?

Lou:
- yes, it's just been a while

Ron:
- propose new wglc
- 2-3 weeks from now
- Ron acting as shepherd to documents

Future of WG:
- Lou Berger's presentation on DLEP multicast at IETF-105
- dlep-multicast I-D by January 2020
- Lou taking over from Stan
- Ron willing to help as he finds it personally interesting

Lou:
- collaberating with Dave Wiggins
- wanted to push for 106, but decided against it
- first draft soon to Ron
- implementation details in one draft rather than second draft
- no need to do now, but do offline

Ron:
- no other pending I-Ds
- looking at charter

Lou:
- 2-3 meetings ago agreed to have a adopting call for a 4th doc
- ethernet-flow-control
- might been a year ago to do it

Rick Taylor:
- split out?

Lou:
- appendix as example, made it new doc
- things happened, now waiting
- dont want to wait another cycle

Ron:
- no need to wait
- go to mailing list for adoption
- charter mentions multicast work
- document challenges, best practices?
- not much happening in that area, what do we do?
- obliged to address these?

Rick:
- was working with Stan on dlep-extension for SMF PIM
- early days

Alvaro Retana (responsible AD):
- asked: do what is in charter?
- ideally yes, do what WG wants
- compromise with other work (specific item)
- at time there was interest...

Ron:
- question mailing list?
- anyone interested?

Rick
- confession: actively working on multicast at work
- looked at SMF
- look at stuff coming out of PIM
- unconvinced what we doing is manet unique
- PIMish? picking out the tree
- tweak to work with manets?
- if wrote up would take back to PIM
- others were looking at SMF but they are not here anymore

Alvaro:
- same point, last bullet
- discuss where do we go?
- new items, look at old stuff?

Stu Card:
- precise words in charter:
- WILL do liason with PIM
- WILL do multicast with SMF
- conflict built right in

Rick:
- SMF, industry thinks its ready to go
- it's experimental RFC about flooding, not a solution
- danger if manet stop people will think its good enough
- manet specific topics are being picked up at link layer
- if go down multicast route it would be about maintaing multicast heterogenous
link layer technology manets - that drifts into PIM - don't have answer

Ron:
- don't want to go into deep technical now
- personally interested, but we will take to list
- need to get more energy
- talking with AD
- couple of ideas, bring back OLSR work
- rename to DLEP WG almost
- personal idea on new DLEP data item
- need to check if it holds water
- write up and have ready sometime in January
- Ron presentation on inter-manet routing at 105
- outside charter scope
- at 105, ppl showed interest
- someone outside group also interested and encouraged to take to mailing list,
yet to do so - would need to recharter - need evidence that people are doing
work for that to happen - Interim meeting, end of January, early Februrary
2020? - need to mull over what to do next with WG - do interim well before
Vancouver but still allow for work to happen

Rick:
- timing is good and makes a lot of sense

Lou:
- virtual or physical?

Ron:
- virtual!
- end of agenda
- AOB?

Alvaro:
- one thing, need to be at bar in 3 minutes
- will say something at plenary about Stan
- near the end before open mic

Ron:
- with that, meeting adjourned