Minutes IETF108: nwcrg
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Meeting Minutes
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# IETF 108 NWCRG Meeting Minutes

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## nwcrg online meeting

Online meeting on Monday Session II 13:00-13:50 (UTC).
[Time Zone
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#### 00- Welcome, administrative and general matters
(Chairs) (10'+5')

#### 01- Feedback on hackathon
(Vincent Roca) (5')

Small team and little progress over the week, but at least the source code is
now here (encoder and decoder). It's now essentially a matter of debuging.
We'll have a new hackathon during IETF 109.

### Updates of existing works:

#### 02- "Coding and congestion control in transport" I-D
(Nicolas Kuhn) (5+5')
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion/)

VR: if the I-D remains a "discussion draft" as it is today, without trying to
become a "recommendation draft", how far is it from a consolidated version?
What amount of work remains to be done? NK: Afraid to open a pandora box since
we could add much more content, even as a discussion draft, but is it worth?
VR: We need to define the scope depending on the time we have. Anurag (not
sure): Usually FEC is part of the physical layer and involves sync between two
ends. 1- Is there any kind of synchronisation mechanims either as part of
transport or FEC signaling?  2 Usually the packets have some differential delay
depending on network fluctuations. Are these aspects being considered? NK: For
the moment the two channels [FEC and CC] are considered different in order to
be as generic as possible. We do not look at how signaling could be done
because it depends on how the mechanismes are being used. I take the point. The
synchronisation aspects must be defined or discussed. Spencer Dawkins (SD):
thank you for doing this important work. Regarding discussion vs.
recommendation. Depends on NK: for the moment we make general statements. Not
sure to what extent we can make more specific requirements. To go further in
recommendations we need to go further in the protocols in use. SD: My
suggestion would be to do two different drafts. Recommendation is for protocol
designers. People in IETF often raise such issues. This is anyway an important
draft. Fran├žois Michel (on chat): we could try to recommend to ignore losses
when we know we are on a satellite link and losses are not caused by
congestion. NK: we agree.

### Next steps
(Chairs, all) (20')

Summary:
Most of the milestones have been addressed or could be addressed (non finalized
docs). So the chairs would like to: - adopt as RG-Items most of the remaining
I-Ds that are still individual documents; - publish them as informational RFCs;
- and close the NWCRG group, approximately within 1 year. The authors of
current drafts should be prepared to work on their drafts. It concerns BATS and
Tetrys teams for instance. Regarding FEC for QUIC, the goal is to publish them
within NWCRG, since the IETF QUIC group is well behind schedule and it's not
realistic to expect these I-Ds to be moved there any time soon. And as always:
if you want your drafts to be reviewed, be ready to review that of others.

SD: I've been talking with the LOOPS proponents to be sure they were consistent
on their position, looked at the slides, etc. I hope there will be discussion
around FEC on Friday LOOPS BOF. MJM: I intend to participate to LOOPS. Colin
Perkins: both the Congestion Control and FEC for QUIC documents are pretty
close to IETF work, we'll need to discuss on what is most appropriate. I'm
happy to see the group has achieved his goals. MJM: the Congestion Control
could be pretty a standalone doc, the QUIC work, I agree is close to IETF
document. But I'd be very careful not to overwhelm QUIC with Yet Another
Document. Anyway we have time to discuss.

MJM: we'll see if it make sense to have a short interim before November to make
sure documents have made progress.

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Total allocated time: 50'