Minutes IETF125: 6man: Wed 06:00
minutes-125-6man-202603180600-01
| Meeting Minutes | IPv6 Maintenance (6man) WG | |
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| Date and time | 2026-03-18 06:00 | |
| Title | Minutes IETF125: 6man: Wed 06:00 | |
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| Last updated | 2026-04-08 |
6MAN Working Group - IETF 125 Shenzhen
Wednesday, 18 March 2026, 14:00-16:00 (UTC+8)
Room: Shangri La Ballroom 1
Chairs: Bob Hinden, Jen Linkova
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Agenda Wednesday, 18 March 2026, 14:00-16:00 (UTC+8)
- Introduction, Agenda Review, and Document Status , Chairs, 10 min.
Working Group Drafts
- YANG Data Model for IPv6 Neighbor Discovery,
draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-neighbor-discovery-yang , Fan Zhang, 10 min - IPv6 Query for Enabled In-situ OAM Capabilities,
draft-ietf-6man-icmpv6-ioam-conf-state , Xiao Min, 10 min - Carrying Network Resource (NR) related Information in IPv6 Extension
Header, draft-ietf-6man-enhanced-vpn-vtn-id , Jie Dong, 10 min -
IPv6 Node Requirements, draft-ietf-6man-rfc8504-bis , Tim Winters,
15 min
### Active Individual Drafts {#active-individual-drafts} -
The IPv6 Loopback Address Prefix, draft-kumari-ipv6-loopback ,
Warren Kumari, Geoff Huston, 10 min. - Deprecating IPv6 Extension Headers on the Internet,
draft-herbert-deprecate-eh/ ,Deprecate IPv6 Destination Options
Before the Routing Header, draft-herbert-deprecate-destops-before-rh
,Infight Removal of IPv6 Hop-by-Hop and Routing Headers,
draft-herbert-eh-inflight-removal , Tom Herbert 15 min. - Updates to DNS64 Functionality Advertisement for DNS RA Option,
draft-ma-6man-ra-dns64-flag-01 , Chenhao Ma, 15 min. - ICMP Error Handling for VPNs in SRv6 Networks,
draft-varhal-6man-icmp-srv6-vpn , Balazs Varga, 15 min.
This is a summary of the 6man Working Group session held during IETF 125
in Shenzhen China. It was produced by the automated minute tool
(https://ietfminutes.org/about.html) written by Eric Rescorla
ekr@rtfm.com. It was edited by the chairs after the meeting.
Summary
The 6MAN Working Group met at IETF 125 in Shenzhen China. The session
was chaired by Jen Linkova and Bob Hinden (both participating remotely),
with Erik Vyncke acting as the on-site chair. The meeting marked a
leadership transition as Eric Kline stepped down as the responsible Area
Director (AD), with Erik Vyncke taking over the role. The agenda covered
four working group documents and five individual presentations, focusing
on neighbor discovery, extension header security, and routing-related
ICMP behavior.
Key Discussion Points
Introduction and Document Status
- AD Transition: Eric Kline is finishing his term; Erik Vyncke is
the new responsible AD for 6MAN. - MISREF Issues: Several drafts (including
draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-bis) are held in the RFC Editor Queue due
to a normative reference to a SNAC draft. The ADs and chairs
discussed potentially changing the SNAC reference to "informative"
to unblock the queue. Draft will be sent back to w.g. to revise,
then repeat w.g. last call and advance. - draft-ietf-6man-slaac-renum: Lorenzo Colitti raised concerns
that the current draft could cause battery drain on mobile devices
by sending too many Router Advertisements (RAs) during renumbering.
The draft will be returned to the working group for revision. - draft-ietf-6man-sidlist-clarification, Erik Kline volunteered to
be document shephard.
Working Group Drafts
-
YANG Data Model for IPv6 Neighbor Discovery
- Presenter: Fan Yang (on behalf of
draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-neighbor-discovery-yang) - Discussion: Updates based on YANG Doctor reviews were
presented, including the removal of certain dynamic resolution
leaves and simplification of Proxy NA. The authors requested a
Working Group Last Call (WGLC). - Action: Chairs to start a w.g. last call.
- Presenter: Fan Yang (on behalf of
-
IPv6 Query for Enabled In-situ OAM Capabilities
- Presenter: Xiao Min (on behalf of
draft-ietf-6man-icmpv6-ioam-conf-state) - Discussion: The draft’s foundation has moved from RFC 4620
todraft-ietf-intarea-icmp-query. The working group will wait
for the INTAREA draft to progress before initiating WGLC.
- Presenter: Xiao Min (on behalf of
-
Carrying Network Resource (NR) related Information in IPv6
Extension Header- Presenter: Jie Dong (on behalf of
draft-ietf-6man-enhanced-vpn-vtn-id) - Discussion: Debate occurred regarding the fixed 32-bit
length of the NRP selector ID. Greg Mirsky and Erik Vyncke
suggested that 6MAN should perhaps defer the length definition
to other groups (like TEAS or MPLS), though the authors noted
the current encoding is extensible.
- Presenter: Jie Dong (on behalf of
-
- Presenter: Tim Chown (on behalf of
draft-ietf-6man-rfc8504-bis) - Discussion: The authors plan to revert the Extension Header
(EH) limit text to the original RFC 8504 language since the
dedicated EH limits draft did not progress. Updates regarding
PMTUD (RFC 8899) and DNS section clarifications were discussed. - Should be ready for w.g. last call prior to next IETF meeting.
- Presenter: Tim Chown (on behalf of
Individual Presentations
-
The IPv6 Loopback Address Prefix
- Presenter: Jen Linkova (on behalf of authors)
- Discussion: The proposal to expand the loopback prefix to
::/96met significant resistance. Brian Carpenter and Jen
Linkova expressed concerns about overlapping with the
unspecified address (::). Lorenzo Colitti noted the utility of
multiple loopback addresses but questioned the specific prefix
choice.
-
Addressing Extension Header Vulnerabilities
- Presenter: Tom Herbert
- Discussion: This covered four distinct ideas: enforcing EH
ordering/occurrence, "obsoleting" certain EHs on the public
internet, removing EHs at egress, and restricting Destination
Options locations. - Feedback: Lorenzo Colitti noted that fragmentation cannot be
deprecated because DNS relies on it. Ron Bonica supported
enforcing ordering/occurrence rules as "MUSTs" but opposed
middlebox modification/removal of headers. Comment that we need
to be careful to not limit future flexability.
-
Updates to DNS64 Functionality Advertisement for DNS RA
Option- Presenter: Chenhao
- Discussion: The proposal adds a "T" flag to RDNSS to
indicate DNS64 capability. Jordi Palet and Lorenzo Colitti
argued that existing tools (like separate APNs or
ipv4only.arpalookups) already solve the stated use cases
without protocol changes.
-
ICMP Error Handling for VPNs in SRv6 Networks
- Presenter: Balaji Venkat Venkataswami
- Discussion: The draft addresses how to return ICMP errors to
VPN endpoints in an SRv6 network without requiring P-nodes to be
VPN-aware. Suresh Krishnan suggested the work might better
belong in the SPRING WG. Ron Bonica supported the technical
approach of not involving the tunnel egress.
Decisions and Action Items
draft-ietf-6man-slaac-renum: Will be returned to 6MAN. Authors
must revise the draft to address battery consumption concerns
(specifically the frequency/count of RAs sent during renumbering)
before advancing.draft-ietf-6man-rfc8504-bis: Authors to update references
(including RFC 8899) and finalize the revert of EH limit text to
match RFC 8504.draft-ietf-6man-yang-data-model-for-ipv6-neighbor-discovery:
Chairs will initiate WGLC following the meeting.- SNAC MISREF: ADs (Erik Vyncke and Eric Kline) will investigate
if the normative dependency on the SNAC draft can be downgraded to
informative to unblockdraft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-bisand the RA-Flag
draft.
Next Steps
- Liaison Statement: David Schinazi and Suresh Krishnan will
coordinate a liaison statement to the IEEE regarding
draft-ietf-6man-ieee80211-fms. draft-ietf-6man-enhanced-vpn-vtn-id: Continued discussion on
the mailing list regarding ID length flexibility.- Individual Drafts: Authors of the Loopback and DNS64 RA drafts
were encouraged to refine their problem statements and consult the
V6OPS working group for operational consensus. - SRv6 ICMP: Chairs from 6MAN and SPRING will discuss the
appropriate home for this work.