Minutes for DMARC at IETF-91
minutes-91-dmarc-1

2. WG Milestone/Phase Overview (chairs) 5 minutes
    http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dmarc/trac/wiki

3. Milestone 1 Review (Tim Draegen) 20 minutes
    http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dmarc/trac/wiki/MilestoneOneWiki
Tim: summary of situation to date,
John: does scope include changes to DKIM?
Barry: no, but could recharter to change scope, or spin up a DKIM+ WG
Tim: data collection milestone, lots of data
can categorize into supergroups?
John: suggest mail that originates with DMARC OK then forwarded and changed,
vs. mail that started somewhere else Dave C/Pete: use 5598 terminology here,
please Tim: milestone 1 is done (will try to create a list of MUA authors, sort
of analogous to W3C) Doug Otis: this changes the meaning of the From: author,
can we put it back? Kurt Anderson: don't close milestone 1 until we clean up
the terminology)

Elizabeth Z: data on flows, notably compound indirect flows
there's a surprising amount of double indirect mail, ~10% of list mail,
lots at universities. So multiple hops are important.

Doug: this is just about phishing
Eliz, others: no, it's more

Pete: multiple hop mail all starts compliant?
Kurt, John: no

Eliz: forwarded is smaller pile, but it's mail people care about

4. Milestone 2 discussion & kick off (Tim Draegen) 20 minutes
    http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dmarc/trac/wiki/MilestoneTwoWiki

Eliot Lear: will there be an ID describing these issues? Yes.
Pete (answering question): interim phone confs are just dandy, so long as
they're minuted on the list Barry: must be scheduled as virtual interim, can
use new jitsi tools

Tim: asked for interest in interim, about 1/3 raised hands
Pete: design team is a small group tasked by chairs to create a thing to bring
back to the WG

5. AOB 10 minutes

Murray: final DMARC base draft posted
Brett: can we add new deliverables?
Pete: milestones are local to group, can change, new deliverables in charter
need IESG approval but dividing them into documents etc. is local

Kurt: what's the schedule before Dallas?
Tim: finish milestone 1, editors create draft