Minutes interim-2011-iab-14 2011-04-27
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Minutes of the 2011-04-27 IAB Teleconference

1. Roll-call, agenda-bash, administrivia, approval of minutes

1.1. Attendance

PRESENT

Bernard Aboba (IAB Chair)

Ross Callon

Alissa Cooper

Spencer Dawkins

Lars Eggert (IRTF Chair)

Joel Halpern

Russ Housley (IETF Chair)

David Kessens

Olaf Kolkman

Danny McPherson

Cindy Morgan (IAB Executive Assistant)

Jon Peterson

Andrei Robachevsky

Dow Street (IAB Executive Director)

Dave Thaler

Hannes Tschofenig

Sean Turner

APOLOGIES

Lynn St.Amour (ISOC Liaison)

1.2. Agenda

No agenda items were added.

1.3. Administrivia

Hannes confirmed that he will continue to act as liaison to the

IESG. However, due to scheduling conflicts, Hannes will be unable

to attend the IESG retreat May 2-3. Olaf and Andrei are

coordinating their schedules so that at least one of them will be

able to attend on May 2. Bernard will be available to participate

in the IESG retreat remotely on May 3.

1.4. Meeting Minutes

There were three sets of minutes under review. The minutes of the

2010-12-22 business meeting were approved with one change. Dow

asked the board to review the minutes of the 2011-04-13 business

meeting so that they can be approved at the next meeting. The IETF

80 plenary transcript is currently being reviewed by email, and will

be approved by email once the review is complete.

2. Liaison Reports

2.1. ISOC Liaison

Lynn was unable to be on the call due to a scheduling conflict, but

she submitted a written report to the board ahead of time.

Topics:

I. ISOC comment on APNIC’s last /8 allocation of IPv4 addresses

II. e-G8 Forum, May 24-25

III. OECD High Level Meeting on the Internet Economy, June 28-29

IV. Internet Society IPv6 Panel @ IETF 80

V. ISOC Requests IGF Open Forum Internet Standards

VI. ISOC Board E-meeting

VII. IAB/W3C/MIT Workshop on Privacy

I. ISOC comment on APNIC’s last /8 allocation of IPv4 addresses

ISOC noted the announcement from APNIC that they are down to their

last /8 of IPv4 addresses, and restrictive policies are kicking in,

along with the importance of continued proper IP address registration

in the post-depletion world:

http://isoc.org/wp/newsletter/?p=3592http://www.isoc.org/internet/issues/docs/ip-addresses_20110418.pdf

II. e-G8Forum, May 24-25

As host of the 2011 G8 and G20 meetings, France has decided to

hold special sessions on Internet governance, including an eG8 Forum

on May 24-25. Topics seem to be quite high level (Internet as an

essential driver of knowledge; Emergence of a digital citizenry; the

technologies of the future; Innovation; Impact of mobile

communications on business, the media, etc.; and the protection of

personal information and intellectual property). Lynn St. Amour has

been invited to participate, as has Rod Beckstrom (ICANN). Although

the time is drawing close, the event is still being organized, so no

further details are available at present.

III. OECD High Level Meeting on the Internet Economy, June 28-29

ISOC leadership will be participating in the OECD High Level

Meeting on the Internet Economy June 28-29 in Paris. The Internet

Technical Advisory Committee (ITAC) has been given 20 passes to attend

the event, and the following speakers have been confirmed:

– Welcome and Opening session – Global trends for the Internet: Vint

Cerf, ARIN

– Session 2 – Role of broadband in innovation, economic growth and

social development: Tim Berners Lee, W3C

– Session 3 – Balancing policy goals to strengthen growth: Leslie

Daigle, ISOC

– Session 4 – Policy making principles for an open Internet: Laurent

Liscia, OASIS

Before the High Level Meeting on June 27, ISOC is arranging the first

face-to-face meeting of the ITAC. IAB is an ITAC member.

IV. Internet Society IPv6 Panel @ IETF 80

ISOC had a successful briefing panel on Tuesday of IETF week,

talking about IPv6 — How will we know we’ve arrived? Panelists

offered a range of thoughts on what “good” looks like. The audio of

the session is available here:

https://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/ietf80-briefing/

V. ISOC Requests IGF Open Forum Internet Standards

ISOC has submitted a request for an Open Forum meeting on

Internet Standards at the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Nairobi

in September. IGF Open Forums were introduced early on to allow major

Internet related organizations to present their work (originally

thought of as a kind of activity report of what happened during the

past 12 months.) ISOC, ICANN, ITU, UNESCO, Council of Europe, OECD

have previously used this platform to inform IGF participants. The

session will provide an excellent opportunity to explain how the

Internet standards organizations function. It is intended as an

informational session to an audience that perhaps has more awareness

of ITU-like organizations than the IETF.

VI. ISOC Board E-meeting

The next meeting of the ISOC Board of Trustees is scheduled to

take place via WebEx on Monday, May 9, 2011, 19:00-21:00 UTC. ISOC

Board meetings are open and participation is welcome. The agenda will

be posted here:

http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/meetings.php

VII. IAB/W3C/MIT Workshop on Privacy

Following the IAB/W3C/MIT workshop on privacy a number of

additional activities have emerged. Two to highlight in the near term

are:

W3C Workshop on Identity in the Browser 24/25th May 2011, Mountain

View (USA), http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/

Trent Adams from the Internet Society Trust and Identity (TID) team is

co-chairing this meeting and the call for papers close on April 27.

Submissions include several from well known IETF participants and

topics include both OAuth and abfab as well as security in the

browser.

W3C Workshop on Web Tracking and User Privacy 28/29 April 2011,

Princeton, NJ, USA, http://www.w3.org/2011/track-privacy/

Christine Runnegar (ISOC) is a member of the program committee and the

agenda includes an IETF perspective from Peter Saint-Andre as well as

papers from both Hannes and Alissa.

Both topics will also be covered at the spring Internet Identity

Workshop (IIW): http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/. ISOC TID

folks will be on hand for both IIW and the proposed oauth interim

session.

2.2. IESG Liaison

Sean introduced his written report, with a note that the issues

listed are ongoing, and that there is nothing requiring IAB

attention at this time.

SDO coordination:

– TRILL (IEEE 802.1): Working to ensure there’s no issue.

– MPLS (ITU-T): In the latest liaison response, we instructed them how

to get code point. The ball is in their court to produce a draft

and work it through the process.

– Q.flowstatesig (ITU-T): In their latest liaison

(datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file1182.doc), SG11/Q5

indicated they will be sending a final draft for our review. The

plan is to send the draft for review to ietf@ietf.org as well as the

TSV and INT directorates/areas. This ensures a public review of the

document as opposed to just an AD review.

New work:

– PAWS (new): Some debate about a) where it would be located (RAI or

Apps) – most seem to feel Apps; b) whether the scope too US specific

wrt to privacy/security, and; c) whether XML is a good choice for

the protocol.

– RTCWEB (new): Seems to be going to somewhat smoothly. At least two

IESGers asked what state the documents marked ‘sent to W3C’ need to

be in. Answer was that they would be IDs with consensus with the

idea that they could be changed if there are objections from W3C

(i.e., we send them an RFC and it’s a little harder to change it if

they object).

– Softwires (recharter): A recharter was submitted to the IESG prior

to IETF 80, but it was sent back to the WG because it had not been

discussed in the WG. Looks like it will move forward with some

minor changes.

2.3. RFC Editor Liaison

Olaf introduced his written report with a note that the future of

the For Your Information (FYI) sub-series is currently under

discussion.

RFC Editor Report April 27, 2011

== Production Center Statistics

March Statistics

– – Sub: 56 (1813 pgs)

– – Pub: 49 (1485 pgs)

April Statistics (to date)

– – Sub: 16 (502 pgs)

– – Pub: 40 (870 pgs)

There were increased submission rates in January and March (46 & 56,

respectively), and we are now dealing with the issue of working the

queue down to a normal level. The typical trend is for March to be a

big submission month when there is turnover in the IESG; this year

there were 2 sizable submission months (January subs: 46 / March subs:

56).

== Noteworthy

=== The FYI Subseries

The FYI subseries that was established by RFC 1150 recently got quite a

bit of attention. The trigger that raised the RFC-Editors attention

was a request whether the FYI subseries was still available for the

publication of draft-ietf-dnsop-as112-under-attack-help-help.

– From the perspective of the RFC-Editor we shared some factoids:

– – As far as the FYI is concerned that sub series still exist. It was

taken into account as one of the subseries in RFC 5741 (RFC Streams,

Headers, and Boilerplates). There is no mention of the subseries in

RFC 4844. In particular no mention that there is a special stream-

bound approval process (like for BCPs, see RFC 4844 section 5.1.1)

– – The most recent FYI was published in August 2007 (RFC 4949 (FYI

36)) it was submitted as an Independent submission via RFC Editor.

And some opinions:

– – Whether a FYI number is to be assigned is a question for the

stream approvers.

– – Whether the FYI series still has utility, and how that utility is

advertised, is a question that will be tabled for a future RSE, the

answer depends a lot on whether the streams and the community sees

this subseries as useful.

Currently there is an ongoing discussion about draft-iesg-

rfc1150bis-00.txt, a document reflecting the IESG consensus to not use

the FYI series any-longer.

2.4. IRTF Chair

Lars reported that the new IRTF website (http://www.irtf.org) is

live and that the issue tracker for IRTF-stream document has been

cleaned up and is now up-to-date. Lars also reported that the IRSG

is discussing the future of the MOBOPTS Research Group.

3. IETF 81 Technical Plenary

Alissa reported that the Privacy Program team held a conference call

to brainstorm ideas for the IETF 81 Technical Plenary. The team has

come up with three options as to how the panel speakers could be

structured, and asked the board to provide feedback on those options

before the next business meeting. Alissa will send an email to the

board to start the discussion about how to structure the panel

session at the IETF 81 Technical Plenary.

4. Status of Programs and Initiatives

Bernard reminded the board members to sign up for the various

Programs and Initiatives, and asked them to continue to think about

potential non-board members for each Program and Initiative so that

we can proceed to set up mailing lists. The leads and current

members of each Program and Initiative were reviewed briefly.

Program leads will be responsible for reporting back to the board.

4.1. Privacy Program

Alissa will act as lead for the Privacy Program.

4.2. Internationalization Program

Dave Thaler will act as lead for the Internationalization Program.

4.3. RFC Editor Program

Joel will act as lead for the RFC Editor Program. Joel will also be

the interface between the RSOC and the board.

4.4. IANA Evolution Program

Olaf will act as lead for the IANA Evolution Program.

4.5. SDO Coordination Program

Andrei will act as lead for the SDO Coordination Program.

4.6. IP Evolution

Danny will act as lead for the IP Evolution Initiative.

4.7. DNS

Jon will act as lead for the DNS Initiative.

4.8. IPv6 for IAB Business

Bernard will act as lead for the IPv6 for IAB Business Initiative.

4.9. HTTP/Web Evolution

Jon will act as lead for the HTTP/Web Evolution Initiative.

5. Retreat Planning and Agenda

The board reviewed the agenda for the retreat. Discussion leaders

have been identified for the various agenda topics. Bernard asked

everyone to prepare for their discussions ahead of time, since time

on the agenda is limited.

6. Action Item Review

This agenda item was deferred to the next business meeting (May 4,

2011) due to lack of time. In the meantime, Cindy will contact

board members offline for updates on the current status of action

items.

7. Quick Summary of Discussion of IETF/W3C Liaison with Philippe le

Hegeret of W3C

Bernard reported that he and several other IAB members had met with

Philippe le Hegeret to discuss

the IETF/W3C liaison relationship and compare notes on current work.

The W3C TAG would like to arrange a meeting with the board sometime

around IETF 81 in Quebec, and planning for that is in progress.

8. All Other Business (AOB)

There was no other business.

9. Conclude Call