Minutes interim-2015-iesg-23 2015-12-17 15:00
minutes-interim-2015-iesg-23-201512171500-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the December 17, 2015 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Jari Arkko (Ericsson) / IETF Chair, General Area
Alia Atlas (Juniper) / Routing Area 
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Ben Campbell (Oracle) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Benoit Claise (Cisco) / Operations and Management Area
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Spencer Dawkins / Transport Area
Stephen Farrell (Trinity College Dublin) / Security Area 
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Brian Haberman (Johns Hopkins University) / Internet Area
Susan Hares / Scribe 
Joel Jaeggli (Fastly) / Operations and Management Area 
Barry Leiba (Huawei) / Applications and Real-Time Area 
John Leslie / Scribe 
Terry Manderson (ICANN) / Internet Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat 
Kathleen Moriarty (EMC) / Security Area
Alexa Morris (AMS) / IETF Secretariat 
Alvaro Retana (Cisco) / Routing Area
Andrew Sullivan (Dyn) / IAB Chair 
Brian Trammell (ETH Zurich) / IAB Liaison
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat

REGRETS 
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Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Ray Pelletier (ISOC) / IAD
Carlos Pignataro (Cisco) / Scribe
Martin Stiemerling (Darmstadt University of Applied Sciences) / 
 Transport Area

OBSERVERS
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Loa Andersson
Adam Howell
Mike Jones
Rik Ribbers
Greg Wood


MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the December 3, 2015 Teleconference were approved.  The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the December 3, 2015 IESG Teleconference 
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-homenet-hncp-10  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-09  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Action
  o draft-ietf-conex-mobile-06  (Informational)

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Barry Leiba to draft a proposal for a github license.
  o Jari Arkko to revisit the discussion of a simplified notewell with 
    the IESG.

IN PROGRESS:
  NONE

NEW:
  o Jari Arkko to ask the Secretariat to send the review message for the 
    new Note Well once the legal review is completed.
  o Kathleen Moriarty to investigate meeting space in the Boston/
    Cambridge area for the Retreat.
  o Alia Atlas to draft an FAQ on interactions in the IETF.
  o Jari Arkko to talk to the Secretariat about hotel rooms for the IESG 
    retreat.
  o Jari Arkko to establish the previously agreed facilitator(s) on the 
    ietf@ietf list.
  o Jari Arkko to talk to the current moderators of ietf@ietf list on 
    where to draw the line between guidance and moderation.


2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items 
  o draft-ietf-clue-framework-24  - IETF stream
    Framework for Telepresence Multi-Streams (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 
    13
    Token: Alissa Cooper

The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to 
be prepared by Alissa Cooper. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor 
Note.

  o draft-ietf-p2psip-diagnostics-19  - IETF stream
    P2P Overlay Diagnostics (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 13
    Token: Alissa Cooper

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Jari Arkko, Barry Leiba, and Alvaro Retana.*

  o draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mib-13  - IETF stream
    DS-Lite Management Information Base (MIB) for AFTRs (Proposed
    Standard) - 3 of 13
    Token: Terry Manderson

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Terry Manderson confirms that the announcement is 
ready to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-media-rtp-session-12  - IETF stream
    Sending Multiple Types of Media in a Single RTP Session (Proposed
    Standard) - 4 of 13
    Token: Ben Campbell

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Ben Campbell confirms that the announcement is 
ready to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay-11  - IETF stream
    Key Relay Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (Proposed
    Standard) 5 of 13
    Token: Barry Leiba

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Stephen Farrell.*

  o draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet-04  - IETF stream
    Extranet Multicast in BGP/IP MPLS VPNs (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 13
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benoit Claise.*

  o draft-ietf-uta-email-tls-certs-07  - IETF stream
    Updated TLS Server Identity Check Procedure for Email Related
    Protocols (Proposed Standard) - 7 of 13
    Token: Stephen Farrell

The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to 
be prepared by Stephen Farrell. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC 
Editor Note.

  o draft-ietf-tls-cached-info-20  - IETF stream
    Transport Layer Security (TLS) Cached Information Extension
    (Proposed Standard) - 8 of 13
    Token: Stephen Farrell

The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to 
be prepared by Stephen Farrell. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC 
Editor Note.

  o draft-ietf-oauth-proof-of-possession-10  - IETF stream
    Proof-of-Possession Key Semantics for JSON Web Tokens (JWTs)
    (Proposed Standard) - 9 of 13
    Token: Kathleen Moriarty

The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to 
be prepared by Kathleen Moriarty. The Secretariat will send a working 
group submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC 
Editor Note.

  o draft-ietf-httpbis-legally-restricted-status-04  - IETF stream
    An HTTP Status Code to Report Legal Obstacles (Proposed Standard) - 
    10 of 13
    Token: Barry Leiba

The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to 
be prepared by Barry Leiba. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC 
Editor Note.

  o draft-ietf-appsawg-http-problem-02  - IETF stream
    Problem Details for HTTP APIs (Proposed Standard) - 11 of 13
    Token: Barry Leiba

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Spencer Dawkins.*

  o draft-ietf-kitten-rfc4402bis-02  - IETF stream
    A Pseudo-Random Function (PRF) for the Kerberos V Generic Security
    Service Application Program Interface (GSS-API) Mechanism (Proposed
    Standard) 12 of 13
    Token: Stephen Farrell

This document moves RFC 4402 to Historic status. The document was 
approved by the IESG.  The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-jose-jws-signing-input-options-08  - IETF stream
    JWS Unencoded Payload Option (Proposed Standard) - 13 of 13
    Token: Kathleen Moriarty

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Stephen Farrell.*

2.1.2 Returning items  
  o draft-ietf-kitten-cammac-04  - IETF stream
    Kerberos Authorization Data Container Authenticated by Multiple MACs
    (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1
    Token: Stephen Farrell

The document was approved by the IESG.  The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-08  - IETF stream
    DNS query name minimisation to improve privacy (Experimental) - 1 of 
    2
    Token: Joel Jaeggli

The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to
be prepared by Joel Jaeggli. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor 
Note.

  o draft-ietf-httpauth-scram-auth-15  - IETF stream
    Salted Challenge Response (SCRAM) HTTP Authentication Mechanism
    (Experimental) - 2 of 2
    Token: Kathleen Moriarty

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Document Action Announcement.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-schmidt-brainpool-dnssec-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-schmidt-brainpool-dnssec
      draft-schmidt-brainpool-dnssec-03
      ECC Brainpool Curves for DNSSEC (ISE: Informational) - 1 of 2
    Token: Stephen Farrell

The IESG recommends that the RFC Editor does not publish this document. 
The Secretariat will send a "do not publish" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Stephen Farrell.

  o conflict-review-smyshlyaev-gost-usage-01
    IETF conflict review for draft-smyshlyaev-gost-usage
      draft-smyshlyaev-gost-usage-17
      Guidelines on the Cryptographic Algorithms, Accompanying the Usage
    of Standards GOST R 34.10-2012 and GOST R 34.11-2012 (ISE:
    Informational) - 2 of 2
    Token: Stephen Farrell

The IESG recommends that the RFC Editor does not publish this document. 
The Secretariat will send a "do not publish" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Stephen Farrell.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  o CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption (curdle) - 1 of 2
    Area: SEC (Stephen Farrell)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group.  The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement. 

  o Font Top Level Media Type (justfont) - 2 of 2
    Area: ART (Barry Leiba)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending the 
creation of a mailing list for the working group.  The Secretariat will 
send a WG Action announcement. 

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues
   6.1 New Note Well (Jari Arkko & Barry Leiba)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the proposed new 
Note Well text for IETF review pending review from the legal team.

Action item: Jari Arkko to ask the Secretariat to send the review 
message for the new Note Well once the legal review is completed.

   6.2 Request Authorization to Move a Set of Broken Messages out of the 
       List Archives (Jari Arkko)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the request to 
move the broken messages out of the list archives.

   6.3 IESG Retreat (Jari Arkko)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG agreed to hold their 
retreat May 10-12, 2016.

Action item: Kathleen Moriarty to investigate meeting space in the 
Boston/Cambridge area for the Retreat.

Action item: Jari Arkko to talk to the Secretariat about hotel rooms for 
the IESG retreat.

   6.4 Dealing with Topics and Newcomers Similar to the Brand-New-
       Internet-Protocol Thread (Jari Arkko)

The management issue was discussed.

Action item: Alia Atlas to draft an FAQ on interactions in the IETF.

Action item: Jari Arkko to establish the previously agreed 
facilitator(s) on the ietf@ietf list.

Action item: Jari Arkko to talk to the current moderators of ietf@ietf 
list on where to draw the line between guidance and moderation.

7. Working Group news


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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.