Minutes IETF 97 BOF coordination interim-2016-iesg-21 2016-10-06 14:00
minutes-interim-2016-iesg-21-201610061400-00

Minutes of the IESG/IAB BoF Coordination Teleconference
6 October 2016

Reported by: Amy Vezza, IETF Secretariat

Additional reference materials available at the BoF Wiki
(https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/).

ATTENDEES
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Jari Arkko / IETF Chair, General Area
Alia Atlas / Routing Area
Deborah Brungard / Routing Area
Benoit Claise / Operations and Management Area
Alissa Cooper / Applications and Real-Time Area
Spencer Dawkins / Transport Area
Lars Eggert / IRTF Chair
Stephen Farrell / Security Area
Mat Ford / ISOC
Ted Hardie / IAB
Susan Hares / Scribe
Russ Housley / IAB
Lee Howard / IAB
Joel Jaeggli / Operations and Management Area
Suresh Krishnan / Internet Area
Terry Manderson / Internet Area
Stephanie McCammon / IETF Secretariat
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan / IETF Secretariat
Kathleen Moriarty / Security Area
Erik Nordmark / IAB
Robert Sparks / IAB
Andrew Sullivan / IAB Chair
Dave Thaler / IAB
Martin Thomson / IAB
Brian Trammel/ IAB
Amy Vezza / IETF Secretariat

REGRETS
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Alvaro Retana / Routing Area
Ben Campbell / Applications and Real-Time Area
Joe Hildebrand / IAB
John Leslie / Scribe
Mirja Kuehlewind / Transport Area
Ralph Droms / IAB
Suzanne Woolf / IAB

APPLICATIONS AND REAL-TIME (ART) AREA

None

GENERAL (GEN) AREA

None

INTERNET (INT) AREA

Name: BANdwidth Aggregation for interNet Access (banana)
Token: Suresh Krishnan

Suresh Krishnan introduced the work saying the proponents have had several side
meetings since the Yokohama IETF meeting, and would like to bring the work to
the IETF.

There was discussion on whether the work was suitable for the IETF and whether
the proposed BoF would be working on a single service provider solution or a
multiple service provider solution.

Brian Trammell mentioned he thought if they wanted to limit the work to a
single service provider solution, it was not IETF work.

Jari Arkko asked if there was coordination with the Broadband Forum (BBF).

Suresh answered that the BBF has done the requirements documentation. The BBF
is also working on an architecture document, but Suresh said that they may be
surprised that the IETF moved ahead to look at solutions.

Suresh also mentioned he would send a note to the BBF Liaison to make sure they
are aware of this BoF.

Erik Nordmark mentioned the lack of a clear problem statement in the write up
on the BoF Wiki.

Spencer Dawkins suggested changing the BoF to a non-working group forming BoF
so they have the time to work on a clear problem statement

Joel Jaeggli added that would give them time to discuss possible work items
rather than having a charter discussion.

Brian Trammell volunteered to be the IAB Shepherd for the BoF.

The BoF was approved for a two hour agenda slot as a non-working group forming
BoF with no further discussion.

Name: Bundled Domains (dnsbundled)
Token: Terry Manderson

Alexey Melnikov introduced the proposed BoF, mentioning the group met in Berlin
informally.

Dave Thaler noted that the mailing list was very quiet, and asked how active
the proponents were expected to be.

Alexey agreed the mailing list was quiet, but there is a definite problem to be
solved, and there were people willing to work on solving it.

Terry Manderson mentioned he would prefer the BoF be non-working group forming
at this time so they can focus the discussion on the problem to be solved.

There was a brief discussion on the time requested, and whether a one hour or a
one and a half hour session would be better for the scope of the discussion.

Ted Hardie mentioned that the BoF description could use some rewriting for
clarity.

The BoF was approved for a one and a half hour agenda slot as a non-working
group forming BoF with no further discussion.

Name: IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (ipwave)
Token: Suresh Krishnan

Suresh Krishnan noted that the IPWAVE proposed working group charter is out for
review and it will likely be a working group by the Seoul meeting. As such, it
was on the agenda as a placeholder and to make sure it gets a session requested
for IETF 97. The proposed working group was approved for a one and a half hour
agenda slot with no further discussion.

Name: IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks (lpwan)
Token: Suresh Krishnan

Suresh Krishnan noted that the LPWAN proposed working group  charter is out for
review and it will likely be a working group by the Seoul meeting. As such, it
was on the agenda as a placeholder and to make sure it gets a session requested
for IETF 97. The proposed working group was approved for a two hour agenda slot
with no further discussion.

OPERATIONS AND MANAGEMENT (OPS) AREA

Name: Layer Two VPN Service Model (l2sm)
Token: Benoit Claise

Benoit Claise noted that the L2SM proposed working group charter is out for
review and it will likely be a working group by the Seoul meeting. As such, it
was on the agenda as a placeholder and to make sure it gets a session requested
for IETF 97.

Benoit mentioned that ongoing discussions with document authors and other
interested parties delayed the chartering effort, but it should be on the
agenda for the next teleconference (October 13, 2016).

The proposed working group was approved for a one and a half hour agenda slot
with no further discussion.

Name: IP Provisioning for SDN/NFV (ipprov)
Token: Benoit Claise

Benoit Claise mentioned that the potential IPPROV BoF was assigned to OPS, but
there was no clear owner for the work items.

Joel Jaeggli mentioned that opening the scope of the BoF didn't necessarily
make the proposed work any better.

Benoit asked if anyone from the IAB had a chance to look over the documents.
Lee Howard mentioned that he had not, but would.

Dave Thaler said that the proposal looked more suited for a side meeting than a
BoF.

Erik Nordmark added that he thought they needed a tighter scope for the work
items.

Benoit agreed, and asked the IAB to help guide the effort with a side meeting.

The BoF was not approved for IETF 97, but the IESG and IAB agreed to work with
the proponents to schedule a side meeting.

ROUTING (RTG) AREA

None

SECURITY (SEC) AREA

Name: Security Events (secevent)
Token: Kathleen Moriarty

Kathleen Moriarty noted that the SECEVENT proposed working group charter is out
for review and it will likely be a working group by the Seoul meeting. As such,
it was on the agenda as a placeholder and to make sure it gets a session
requested for IETF 97.

There was a brief discussion about identifying chairs and how many people might
show up for the PWG.

The proposed working group was approved for a one hour agenda slot with no
further discussion.

TRANSPORT (TSV) AREA

None

Other Business:

There was a discussion regarding the placement of Bits-N- Bites on the agenda,
whether to move it to co-locate with the Sunday Welcome Reception, or leave it
in the traditional Thursday evening agenda slot.

Stephanie McCammon detailed the pros and cons of moving the event versus
leaving it on Thursday.

The IESG agreed that moving the event to Sunday night would be an interesting
experiment, but decided for the Seoul meeting to leave it on Thursday evening.