Minutes interim-2018-iesg-18 2018-09-13 14:00
minutes-interim-2018-iesg-18-201809131400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the September 13, 2018 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Ben Campbell (Oracle) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (ETH Zurich) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Terry Manderson (ICANN) / Internet Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Rescorla (Mozilla) / Security Area
Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Jeff Tantsura (Nuage Networks) / IAB Liaison
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area

REGRETS 
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Spencer Dawkins (Wonder Hamster Internetworking) / Transport Area
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim IAD

OBSERVERS
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Aaron Falk
Megan Rodrigo
Greg Wood

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the August 30, 2018 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the August 30, 2018 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the August 30, 2018 IESG Teleconference 
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-15  (Proposed 
    Standard)
  o draft-ietf-lamps-rfc5751-bis-12  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Alissa Cooper to follow up with the editors of the Tao regarding 
    proposed revisions.
  o Alvaro Retana to find designated experts for sub-sub-TLVs for BIER 
    Info sub-TLV registry created by RFC 8401 [IANA #1120855].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-oauth-
    discovery [IANA #1113497].

IN PROGRESS:
  o Suresh Krishnan to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-6tisch-6top-
    protocol [IANA #1119883].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 8411 [IANA 
    #1120853].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6509 
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121057].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6043
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121239].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6267
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121240].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6309
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121241].

NEW:
  NONE

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items 
  o draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-07  - IETF stream
    Providing Minimal-Sized Responses to DNS Queries that have
    QTYPE=ANY (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 3
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Warren Kumari. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-16  - IETF stream
    L2L3 VPN Multicast MIB (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 3
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-11  - IETF stream
    BGP/MPLS Layer 3 VPN Multicast Management Information Base
    (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 3
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Martin Vigoureux. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items 
  o draft-ietf-tcpm-alternativebackoff-ecn-11  - IETF stream
    TCP Alternative Backoff with ECN (ABE) (Experimental) - 1 of 3
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Mirja Kuehlewind confirms that the announcement is 
ready to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-httpbis-expect-ct-07  - IETF stream
    Expect-CT Extension for HTTP (Experimental) - 2 of 3
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Eric Rescorla, and Adam Roach.*

  o draft-ietf-taps-minset-09  - IETF stream
    A Minimal Set of Transport Services for End Systems (Informational) 
    - 3 of 3
    Token: Spencer Dawkins

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper and Benjamin Kaduk.*

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-melnikov-email-over-pmul-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-melnikov-email-over-pmul
      draft-melnikov-email-over-pmul-08
      Multicast Email (MULE) over Allied Communications Publication
    (ACP) 142 (ISE: Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Ben Campbell

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Ben Campbell.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  o IP Security Maintenance and Extensions (ipsecme) - 1 of 1
    Area: SEC (Eric Rescorla)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1121057] Designated experts for RFC 6509 (mikey-payloads) 
    (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 6509 (mikey-payloads) was assigned to Eric Rescorla 
prior to the start of the teleconference.

6.2 [IANA #1120855] Designated experts for RFC 8401 (sub-sub-TLVs for  
    BIER Info sub-TLV) (Alvaro Retana)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Chris Hopps 
<chopps@chopps.org> and Les Ginsberg <ginsberg@cisco.com> as the 
designated experts for the sub-sub-TLVs for BIER Info sub-TLV registry 
created by RFC8401.  

6.3 [IANA #1121239] Designated experts for RFC 6043 (mikey-payloads) 
    (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 6043 (mikey-payloads) was assigned to Eric Rescorla 
prior to the start of the teleconference.

6.4 [IANA #1121240] Designated experts for RFC 6267 (mikey-payloads) 
    (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 6267 (mikey-payloads) was assigned to Eric Rescorla 
prior to the start of the teleconference.

6.5 [IANA #1121241] Designated experts for RFC 6309 (mikey-payloads) 
    (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 6309 (mikey-payloads) was assigned to Eric Rescorla 
prior to the start of the teleconference.

6.6 Topics for IEEE 802 / IETF leadership gathering in Bangkok (Alissa 
    Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.7 Designated Experts for RFC-ietf-oauth-discovery [IANA #1113497] 
    (Eric Rescorla)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Mike Jones 
<michael.jones@microsoft.com>, Nat Sakimura <n-sakimura@nri.co.jp>, and 
John Bradley <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com> as the designated experts for RFC-ietf-
oauth-discovery.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 11 September 2018

> 1. Datatracker Projects
>   - The merge plan was recently updated.
>     -- See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
>     -- Highlight that the transition to Python3 and Postgress will
>        be tackled in 2019.
>   - GDPR Compliance -- The email for people to give consent for
>     information in the datatracker did not go out July 2018 as planned.
>     Deletion of email addresses had many more edge cases than expected,
>     so more time was needed to write the code.  Next week, the consent
>     requestes will go out to a list of over 15,000 email addresses Of
>     course, most of them are very old, so they will bounce.  The email
>     will include a link to their datatracker account page.  Alissa will
>     send a message to the community to avoid surprises.
>   - Management of "extra" IETF meeting sessions -- this task is being
>     combined with the update to the meeting scheduling tool that is
>     in the budget for 2019.
> 
> 2. Community & Other Projects
>   - The Tools Team is working to discontinue MonArch email archives.
>     This will allow all of the mail-related tools to work from one
>     copy of the archives in maildir format.  However, the community
>     clearly still likes the speed offered by MonArch.  Yesterday an
>     update to mailarchive.ietf.org was deployed, and it is much faster.
>     The update makes much greater use of static pages and it uses
>     ElasticSearch, which is much more efficient than the previous
>     index approach.  Robert Sparks will renew the discussion with
>     the community discontinuing the MonArch email archives next week.
> 
> 3. RFC Services Projects
>   - RFC Format contracts are on schedule:
>     -- IDnits
>     -- Publication Formatter
>     -- Text Submission
>     -- RFClint
>     -- SVGcheck
>     -- XMLdiff
>   - IDnits, Publication Formatter, and Text Submission are on
>     schedule, and they will be completed this year.
>   - RFClint, SVGcheck, and XMLdiff are in final acceptance test by
>     the RFC Series Editor and the RFC Production Center.  Bugs are
>     being resolved promptly.
> 
> 4. Server Infrastructure
>   - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
>     in June.  We received very positive feedback from the community.
>   - There is a desire to move away from the custom software to ARC, but
>     the ARC software cannot be configured to handle just a few of our
>     mail lists.  Henrik is providing requirements to the ARC developers 
>     for the needed configuration capability.  So far, they have not
>     offered a release date with the new capability.
>   - There are three updates to www.ietf.org underway with Torchbox.
>     First, upgrade the version of Wagtail from 1.12.1 to 2.2.2.
>     Second, change the home page display based on feedback received
>     from the IETF community, which includes adding email archive search
>     to the page.  Third, add an RSS feed for the IETF Blog.  All three
>     updates are expected to be complete by the end of October.
> 
> 5. Other Business
>   - The web pages for the Tools Team were updated.
>     -- https://www.ietf.org/about/grpups/tools
>     -- https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/tools/about/
>   - The IESG needs to decide when to change IDnits to allow I-Ds with
>     non-ascii characters in places other than names to be posted.  We
>     have a request to allow posting.
>     -- See https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2574
>   - The IMAP server code that is provided by ISODE does not handle
>     changed usernames well.  When a person changed their username, the
>     IMAP server noticed the change, but all saved IMAP state was lost.
>     Changing the username back recovered the state.  Alexey has written
>     a fix that will be released soon.
> 
> 6. Parking Lot
>   - Prepare the RFC Production Center code for publication.
>     -- Maybe this can get some attention when the six RFC Format tools
>        are posted in an open source repository.


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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.