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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the November 21, 2018 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
--------------------------------- 
Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Ben Campbell (Oracle) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Spencer Dawkins (Wonder Hamster Internetworking) / Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Rescorla (Mozilla) / Security Area
Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Jeff Tantsura (Apstra) / IAB Liaison
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat

REGRETS 
---------------------------------
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Mirja Kuehlewind (ETH Zurich) / Transport Area
Terry Manderson (ICANN) / Internet Area
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

OBSERVERS
--------------------------------- 
Jim Hague

MINUTES 
--------------------------------- 
1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the October 25, 2018 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the October 25, 2018 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the October 25, 2018 IESG Teleconference 
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount-12  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-netmod-acl-model-21  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-dnsop-kskroll-sentinel-17  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-05  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc4960-errata-08  (Informational)
    
1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  NONE

IN PROGRESS:
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 8411 [IANA 
    #1120853].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6509 
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121057].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6043
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121239].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6267
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121240].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6309
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121241].

NEW:
  o Alvaro Retana to follow up on discussion at IETF 103 about putting 
    major discussion points and decisions in the IESG Wiki.
  o Alvaro Retana to follow up on how to document decisions made during 
    face-to-face IESG conversations.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items 
  o draft-ietf-clue-protocol-17  - IETF stream
    Protocol for Controlling Multiple Streams for Telepresence (CLUE)
    (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 10
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Ben Campbell and Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-clue-signaling-14  - IETF stream
    Session Signaling for Controlling Multiple Streams for Telepresence
    (CLUE) (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 10
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-oauth-token-exchange-16  - IETF stream
    OAuth 2.0 Token Exchange (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 10
    Token: Eric Rescorla

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper, Benjamin Kaduk, and Adam Roach.*

  o draft-ietf-ipsecme-split-dns-14  - IETF stream
    Split DNS Configuration for IKEv2 (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 10
    Token: Eric Rescorla

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Warren Kumari and Alexey Melnikov.*

  o draft-ietf-ntp-mac-05  - IETF stream
    Message Authentication Code for the Network Time Protocol (Proposed
    Standard) - 5 of 10
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Suresh Krishnan. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-16  - IETF stream
    IS-IS Routing with Reverse Metric (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 10
    Token: Alvaro Retana

Eric Rescorla formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The Secretariat will 
send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement once Alvaro 
Retana confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-cbor-cddl-06  - IETF stream
    Concise data definition language (CDDL): a notational convention to
    express CBOR and JSON data structures (Proposed Standard) - 7 of 10
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Eric Rescorla.*

  o draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-capture-format-08  - IETF stream
    C-DNS: A DNS Packet Capture Format (Proposed Standard) - 8 of 10
    Token: Warren Kumari

Terry Manderson formally recused himself from the discussion. The 
document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Alexey Melnikov.*

  o draft-ietf-stir-passport-shaken-05  - IETF stream
    PASSporT SHAKEN Extension (SHAKEN) (Proposed Standard) - 9 of 10
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Eric Rescorla.*

  o draft-ietf-dmarc-rfc7601bis-04  - IETF stream
    Message Header Field for Indicating Message Authentication Status
    (Proposed Standard) - 10 of 10
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Ben Campbell and Benjamin Kaduk.*

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-dmarc-arc-protocol-21  - IETF stream
    Authenticated Received Chain (ARC) Protocol (Experimental) - 1 of 1
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  NONE

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4.3 For action
  o conflict-review-mcgrew-hash-sigs-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-mcgrew-hash-sigs
      draft-mcgrew-hash-sigs-13
      Hash-Based Signatures (IRTF: Informational) - 1 of 2
    Token: Alissa Cooper

The document was assigned to Eric Rescorla for RFC 5742 review.

  o conflict-review-jenkins-cnsa-cert-crl-profile-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-jenkins-cnsa-cert-crl-profile
      draft-jenkins-cnsa-cert-crl-profile-05
      Commercial National Security Algorithm (CNSA) Suite Certificate
    and Certificate Revocation List (CRL) Profile (ISE: Informational) - 
    2 of 2
    Token: Alissa Cooper

The document was assigned to Benjamin Kaduk for RFC 5742 review.

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance (dmarc) 
    - 1 of 2
    Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter.
The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a 
separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will 
place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (December 6, 
2018).

  o Hypertext Transfer Protocol (httpbis) - 2 of 2
    Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter.
The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a 
separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will 
place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (December 6, 
2018).

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  o Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange (mile) - 1 of 1
    Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 Designated Experts for the draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric (Alvaro 
    Retana)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Christian Hopps  
<chopps@chopps.org>, Les Ginsberg <ginsberg@cisco.com>, and Hannes 
Gredler <hannes@gredler.at> as designated experts for draft-ietf-isis-
reverse-metric.

6.2 Extending Last Calls around/during IETF Meetings (Secretariat)

The management issue was discussed. The Secretariat will automatically 
extend any Last Call that would normally end during the period
between the first day of the IETF meeting and the date that falls 7 days 
after the last day of the IETF meeting by one week.

6.3 Secondary expert for the Personal Assertion Token (PASSporT) 
    Extensions registry (Adam Roach)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Russ Housley 
<housley@vigilsec.com> as a secondary expert for the Personal Assertion 
Token (PASSporT) Extensions registry.

6.4 IESG appointment to the IETF Trust (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 30 October 2018

1. Datatracker Projects
   - The merge plan was recently updated.
     -- See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
     -- None of the upcoming activities are surprising or need extra
        coordination.
   - GDPR Compliance -- Two email messages for people to give consent
     for information in the datatracker went out, as planned.  Deletion
     of Datatracker accounts that have not provided opt-in is still
     pending, and it is expected to happen in early November.

2. Community & Other Projects
   - The Tools Team is working to discontinue MonArch email archives.
     This will allow all of the mail-related tools to work from one
     copy of the archives in maildir format.  So far, the responses from
     the community have been positive.  The distribution was expanded
     to include the IRSG.  Planning will begin shortly after IETF 103.

3. RFC Services Projects
   - RFC Format contracts are on schedule:
     -- IDnits
     -- Publication Formatter
     -- Text Submission
     -- RFClint
     -- SVGcheck
     -- XMLdiff
   - Release of xml2rfc 2.12.0 introduces the HTML formatter and the
     new v3 vocabulary.

4. Server Infrastructure
   - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
     in June.  We received very positive feedback from the community.
   - There is a desire to move away from the custom software to ARC, but
     the ARC software cannot be configured to handle just a few of our
     mail lists.  Henrik provided requirements to the ARC developers,
     but so far, they have not offered a release date.  Alexey offered
     to help get a response.
   - There are three updates to www.ietf.org underway with Torchbox.
     First, upgrade the version of Wagtail from 1.12.1 to 2.2.2 was
     expected in October, but it is delayed until November.  Second,
     changes to the home page display based on feedback received from
     the IETF community, which includes adding email archive search
     to the page, is complete.  Third, the addition of an RSS feed for
     the IETF Blog is expected to be complete by the end of October.

5. YANG Catalog
   - Final deliverables for the recent project to improve the YANG
     catalog are being completed.
   - Once those are finished, the operation of the yangcatalog.org will
     be transferred to the IETF Secretariat.  The current expectation is
     that will happen at the end of the year.  However, if we learn that
     more development is needed to facilitate the transition, it will
     wait for 2019, where the budget includes some funds for the YANG
     catalog.
   - Moving to a tools-team-driven model for maintenance of the YANG
     catalog in 2019.
   - Requirements for new features are being gathered by Eric and Benoit
     for future development efforts.

6. Other Business
   - The IESG decided to allow I-Ds with non-ascii characters in places
     other than names to be posted.
     -- Release of IDnits 2.16.0 implemented this policy change.
   - The IMAP server code that is provided by ISODE does not handle
     changed usernames well.  When a person changed their username, the
     IMAP server noticed the change, but all saved IMAP state was lost.
     Changing the username back recovered the state.  Alexey has written
     a fix, but it has not been released yet.

6. Parking Lot
   - Prepare the RFC Production Center code for publication.
     -- Maybe this can get some attention when the six RFC Format tools
        are posted in an open source repository.

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.