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Date and time 2018-12-06 15:00
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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the December 6, 2018 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Ben Campbell (Oracle) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Spencer Dawkins (Wonder Hamster Internetworking) / Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (ETH Zurich) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alexa Morris (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Jeff Tantsura (Apstra) / IAB Liaison
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat

REGRETS 
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Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Terry Manderson (ICANN) / Internet Area
Eric Rescorla (Mozilla) / Security Area
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

OBSERVERS
--------------------------------- 
Mohamed Boucadair
Rahul Jain
Greg Wood

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the November 21, 2018 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the November 21, 2018 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the November 21, 2018 IESG Teleconference 
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-13  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-dc-fabric-network-topology-12  (Proposed 
    Standard)
  o draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-07  (Best Current Practice)
    
1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-11  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-anima-reference-model-10  (Informational)
    
1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Alissa Cooper to talk to Karen O'Donoghue regarding newcomers 
    training and to include materials on bringing new work or ideas to 
    the IETF and the proper background research on what has been done 
    before in the working groups. Also discuss possible annual training 
    for new WG Chairs.

IN PROGRESS:
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 8411 [IANA 
    #1120853].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6509 
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121057].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6043
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121239].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6267
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121240].
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6309
    (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121241].
  o Alvaro Retana to follow up on discussion at IETF 103 about putting 
    major discussion points and decisions in the IESG Wiki.
  o Alvaro Retana to follow up on how to document decisions made during 
    face-to-face IESG conversations.
  o Deborah Brungard to draft text to the WG Chairs list on the subject 
    of community relations, including information about what avenues are 
    open to chairs for escalating issues.
  o Alissa Cooper to draft text informing the community about the 
    ongoing discussion with the WG chairs about community relations, 
    including information about what avenues are open to community 
    members for escalating issues.
  o Spencer Dawkins to send a request to the tools team to set up a 
    mechanism by which documents that have been newly adopted into 
    working groups are automatically announced to the community as being 
    newly adopted.

NEW:
  o Alvaro Retana to send email to the IESG with proposed re-labeling of 
    scheduling conflicts.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items 
  o draft-ietf-alto-cost-calendar-09  - IETF stream
    ALTO Cost Calendar (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 8
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Ben Campbell and Alvaro Retana.*

  o draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-20  - IETF stream
    OSPFv3 Extensions for Segment Routing (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 8
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-opsawg-ipfix-bgp-community-11  - IETF stream
    Export BGP community information in IP Flow Information Export
    (IPFIX) (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 8
    Token: Ignas Bagdonas

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Ignas Bagdonas confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch-25  - IETF stream
    Zero Touch Provisioning for Networking Devices (Proposed Standard) - 
    4 of 8
    Token: Ignas Bagdonas

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Suresh Krishnan, Alexey Melnikov, and 
Adam Roach.*

  o draft-ietf-ippm-port-twamp-test-03  - IETF stream
    OWAMP and TWAMP Well-Known Port Assignments (Proposed Standard) - 5 
    of 8
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Mirja Kuehlewind. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-regext-change-poll-10  - IETF stream
    Change Poll Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol
    (EPP) (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 8
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-14  - IETF stream
    PCEP Extensions for Segment Routing (Proposed Standard) - 7 of 8
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alvaro Retana.*

  o draft-ietf-alto-xdom-disc-04  - IETF stream
    Application Layer Traffic Optimization (ALTO) Cross-Domain Server
    Discovery (Proposed Standard) - 8 of 8
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The document was deferred to the next teleconference (December 20, 2018) 
by Benjamin Kaduk.

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items   
  o draft-ietf-sipcore-originating-cdiv-parameter-07  - IETF stream
    A P-Served-User Header Field Parameter for Originating CDIV session
    case in Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) (Informational) - 1 of 2
    Token: Ben Campbell

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Ben Campbell confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-detnet-problem-statement-08  - IETF stream
    Deterministic Networking Problem Statement (Informational) - 2 of 2
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Deborah Brungard. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-irtf-t2trg-iot-seccons-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-seccons
      draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-seccons-15
      State-of-the-Art and Challenges for the Internet of Things
    Security (IRTF: Informational) - 1 of 3
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The 
Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that 
includes a conflict review response prepared by Benjamin Kaduk.

  o conflict-review-contreras-layered-sdn-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-contreras-layered-sdn
      draft-contreras-layered-sdn-03
      Cooperating Layered Architecture for Software Defined Networking
    (CLAS) (ISE: Informational) - 2 of 3
    Token: Ignas Bagdonas

The document was removed from the agenda prior to the start of the 
teleconference.

  o conflict-review-dolson-transport-middlebox-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-dolson-transport-middlebox
      draft-dolson-transport-middlebox-04
      An Inventory of Transport-centric Functions Provided by
    Middleboxes (ISE: Informational) - 3 of 3
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Mirja Kuehlewind.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling (teas) - 1 of 1
    Area: RTG (Deborah Brungard)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group pending a 
final check to be completed by Deborah Brungard. The Secretariat will 
send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  o Hypertext Transfer Protocol (httpbis) - 1 of 2
    Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group pending a 
final check to be completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will 
send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 

  o Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance (dmarc) 
    - 2 of 2
    Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group pending a 
final check to be completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will 
send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues
6.1 IETF 103 Survey Results (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed.

Action item: Alvaro Retana to send email to the IESG with proposed re-
labeling of scheduling conflicts.

6.2 Executive Session: Disclosure of Funding Sources (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed in an executive session.

6.3 Important Dates for 2019 (Liz Flynn/Secretariat)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the important 
dates for 2019.

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.