Minutes interim-2019-cellar-08: Tue 21:00
minutes-interim-2019-cellar-08-201909242100-00

CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
September 24, 2019     19:00 UTC
                       21:00 Amsterdam
                       15:00 NYC
                       12:00 San Francisco

   NOTE new regular time.

INFO:
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-cellar-08/session/cellar
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-cellar-08-sessa/

WEB CONFERENCE:
   https://appear.in/cellar-interim
   THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try this at any time.)
   These notes at: https://github.com/cellar-wg/chair-notes

Participants/Roll Call:
        1) Michael Richardson
        2) Steve Lhomme
        3) Timothy Terriberry
        4) Martin Below
        5) Dave Rice
        6) Reto Kromer
        7) Jerome Martinez

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1. Note Well ... https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/

2. Accept draft minutes from August 27 meeting (attached below)

        Approved.

3. Logistics for Meeting.
   2a) Etherpad for notes
       https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual?useMonospaceFont=true

   2b) APPEAR.IN is now called "whereby.com"
       https://whereby.com/cellar-interim

   2c) Roll call

4. WG status update
   * EBML -- STILL WAITING ON REVISED -11 document for AD evaluation.
        Reworked the outstanding issues. Both reworked.
        One (#257) was merged today by Dave.
        Second one: #281.  Merged now!
        Version 11 is posted at
        https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-ebml/ as of Sept.
        24, 2019.

5. Remining EBML issues, hoping for none.
      Issue #279 https://github.com/cellar-wg/ebml-specification/issues/279 
      CLOSED. Pull request:
      https://github.com/cellar-wg/ebml-specification/pull/281 DONE.

        needs (older) mmark 2.0.40 to build, not latest. (2.1.1 also works)
        bootstrap shell script will download correct one.

6. Work on Matroska issues.

                ACTION: #335 Agree that NextUID is the way to use hard-linking,
                PrevUID is used as a safety for
                                        recovery of missing segments (optional).
                ---> resulted in pull request #343.  Closed after discussion.

                ACTION: #287 will get additional examples from Dave Rice.

7. Any other business.

        - ffv1 (0,1,3). trying to post the PDF to the Datatracker.
        -

8.    Next meeting was 2019-10-29, will be moved to 2019-10-22.

9. UTF-8 issue in XML reference files from IETF tools for XHTML1.1 to report

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CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
August 27, 2019        19:00 UTC
                               21:00 Amsterdam
                               15:00 NYC
                               12:00 San Francisco

        NOTE this is one hour earlier than last time!

Participants:
    1) Michael Richardson
    2) Martin Below
    3) Steve Lhomme
    4) Michael Niedermayer
    5) Dave Rice
    6) Reto Kromer
    7) Jerome Martinez
    8) Benjamin Turkus

Regrets:
    1) Moritz Bunkus

        INFO:
           https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-cellar-07/session/cellar
           https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-cellar-07-sessa/

        WEB CONFERENCE:
           https://appear.in/cellar-interim
           THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try this at any time.)
           These notes at: https://github.com/cellar-wg/chair-notes

        1. Note Well.
        2. Accept draft minutes from July 30 meeting (attached below)
        minutes accepted.
        Agenda amended to include FFV1.

        3. Logistics for Meeting.
           2a) Etherpad for notes
               https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual?useMonospaceFont=true

           2b) APPEAR.IN is now called "whereby.com"
               https://whereby.com/cellar-interim

           2c) Roll call

        4. WG status update
           * EBML -- still waiting on revised -11 document for AD evaluation.
           We had a lot of conversation last time about solving this logjam.
           Much work on it 2019-08-26, is it done?

        5. Remining EBML issues, hoping for none.
              Issue #279
              https://github.com/cellar-wg/ebml-specification/issues/279 Pull
              request: https://github.com/cellar-wg/ebml-specification/pull/281
        ACTION: Dave will review the rest of the document to ensure that
        allowing Global Elements at
                                Root Element is consistent with the rest of the
                                document.
                        (also will ping Moritz)

        5. FFV1
        -->
        https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cellar/noQ6X-9GPJ3yB3jSeLeHHMwOgh8
        --> how will SVG be sent to datatracker if the SVG are not embedded? -->

        6. Work on Matroska issues.

        ACTION: #335 Agree that NextUID is the way to use hard-linking, PrevUID
        is used as a safety for
                                recovery of missing segments (optional).
        ACTION: #287 will get additional examples from Dave Rice.

        7. Any other business.