Minutes interim-2019-iesg-15 2019-07-11 14:00
minutes-interim-2019-iesg-15-201907111400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the July 11, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS 
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Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

OBSERVERS
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Bob Hinden
Greg Wood


MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the June 27, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the June 27, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The minutes of the June 11, 2019 IETF 105 BoF Coordination 
Teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in 
the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the June 27, 2019 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  NONE
    
1.2.2 Document Actions
  NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Roman Danyliw and Barry Leiba to draft a starting point for the 
    discussion on setting expectations with the WG Chairs in reference 
    to responses to inappropriate or unacceptable behaviors. 
  o INT ADs to send a list of specific "hot topic" items that should be 
    checked. The list to be provided for document authors.
  o SEC ADs to send a list of specific "hot topic" items that should be 
    checked. The list to be provided for document authors.
  o Adam Roach to facilitate the discussion on WG Meeting Structure, 
    related to alternate room layouts and the facilitation of 
    discussion.
  o Warren Kumari to draft text for an example operational use case for 
    target interoperability set, utilizing "stable" in the filename 
    string, and will circulate the text with the IESG and IAB.
  o Magnus Westerlund to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-tram-
    stunbis [IANA #1146028].

IN PROGRESS:
  o Ignas Bagdonas to propose an additional question on YANG Model 
    format validation for each of the styles of document write-ups.
  o Roman Danyliw to talk to the tools team to reset the counters on 
    substate change for documents in AD Evaluation.
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Suresh Krishnan to write a document on replacing the "updates" with 
    new terminology (amends/amended by; extends/extended by; see also).
  o Martin Vigoureux to work with the IESG to create a list of possible 
    IESG Tutorials and will prioritize them for scheduling on a series 
    of Informal Telechats. 
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them 
    understand the rules for the NomCom.
  o Suresh Krishnan to write up a NomCom Chair BCP (work with past 
    chairs).
  o Roman Danyliw to shepherd the www.ietf.org analytics discussion 
    with the community.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-core-object-
    security [IANA #1141664].
  o Alvaro Retana to finalize the proposal for relabeling the IETF 
    Meeting Agenda Conflicts, and discuss the proposal with the WG 
    Chairs.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8554 [IANA 
    #1142796].
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8610 [IANA 
    #1145107].
  o Ignas Bagdonas to find designated experts for RFC 7317 [IANA 
    #1146017].
  o Adam Roach to collate the list of specific "hot topic" items from 
    each Area that will be provided to document authors and post it on 
    the wiki.

NEW:
  NONE

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-22  - IETF stream
    Bootstrapping Remote Secure Key Infrastructures (BRSKI) (Proposed
    Standard) - 1 of 7
    Token: Ignas Bagdonas

Warren Kumari formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised 
by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, Alexey Melnikov, Eric 
Vyncke and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-mpls-egress-protection-framework-06  - IETF stream
    MPLS Egress Protection Framework (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 7
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*

  o draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-49  - IETF stream
    Basic Support for IPv6 over IEEE Std 802.11 Networks Operating
    Outside the Context of a Basic Service Set (IPv6-over-80211-OCB)
    (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 7
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, and Mirja Kuehlewind.*

  o draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-27  - IETF stream
    Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN): Relay Extensions to
    Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) (Proposed Standard) - 4 
    of 7
    Token: Magnus Westerlund

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Mirja Kuehlewind.*

  o draft-ietf-pce-association-group-09  - IETF stream
    PCEP Extensions for Establishing Relationships Between Sets of LSPs
    (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 7
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Deborah Brungard. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-grow-bmp-adj-rib-out-06  - IETF stream
    Support for Adj-RIB-Out in BGP Monitoring Protocol (BMP) (Proposed
    Standard) - 6 of 7
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Barry Leiba.*

  o draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc7437bis-08  - IETF stream
    IAB, IESG, IETF Trust and IETF LLC Selection, Confirmation, and
    Recall Process: Operation of the IETF Nominating and Recall
    Committees (Best Current Practice) - 7 of 7
    Token: Alissa Cooper

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Alissa Cooper confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items    
  o draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-deployment-07  - IETF stream
    Additional NAT64/464XLAT Deployment Guidelines in Operator and
    Enterprise Networks (Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Warren Kumari confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  NONE

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 IESG Job Description that is provided to NomCom (Éric Vyncke)

The management issue was discussed.

6.2 [IANA #1146028] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-tram-stunbis (Magnus 
    Westerlund)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Dan Wing 
<dwing@cisco.com> as the designated expert for RFC-ietf-tram-stunbis.

6.3 IESG agenda at IETF 105 (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 30 June 2019

1. Datatracker Projects
  - The plan was recently updated.
    -- https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN
    -- The transition from Python 2 to Python 3 in under way.  This
       increased priority because Python 2 is being officially
       deprecated; it will not receive maintenance after the end of
       2019.
  - A contract for Meeting Application Improvements was awarded to
    IOLA.  Work will begin shortly.
  - A contract for IRSG balloting was awarded to AKAYLA.  Work began
    in June 2019.

2. Community & Other Projects
  - The Tools Team and the Secretariat worked out a plan for web site
    content involving static plaintext or PDF pages.  For pages with
    content that changes infrequently (such as appeals, appeal
    responses, and implementation reports) the Secretariat will load
    the pages into Wagtail content management system and update their
    index pages manually.  Agendas and Minutes for a body or committee
    will be captured in the Datatracker as meeting materials for that
    group.

3. RFC Services Projects
  - Support for the v3 schema has been enabled for I-D submission, and
    now the IESG needs to make a policy decision about when I-Ds in the
    new format can be submitted to the IESG for publication on the IETF
    stream.
  - The RFC Production Center continues to test the new format tools.
  - The Tools Team has a Statement of Work for the security of the
    tools used by the RFC Production Center.  The new format tools will
    be reviewed once the tools related to the old format are put in
    mothballs.
  - A contract for rendering errata in a more useful was awarded to
    Soaring Hawk Consulting; code was delivered.  The RFC Editor needs
    to figure out how it will be incorporated into rfc-editor.org.

4. Server Infrastructure
  - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
    in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom
    software to ARC.  The ARC software cannot be configured to handle
    just a few of our mail lists.  Requirements were provided to the
    ARC developers, but so far, they have not offered a release date.
    Alexey continues to try to get a response from the ARC developers,
    but so far we are only getting silence.  This has not changed in
    many months; maybe we will be using our custom code forever.
  - The guides.ietf.org has been deployed in its own container, and
    operational support is now being handled by the Secretariat.  This
    containerized deployment experiment was very successful.T

5. YANG Catalog
  - Operation of the yangcatalog.org was to transferred to the IETF
    Secretariat.  This is also running in a container on a sandbox
    server.  We expect deployment of the containerized version in a
    few weeks.

6. SustainIETF.org
  - This domain name will be transferred from ISOC to the IETF Trust.
  - It is not yet clear how this domain will be used going forward.


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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.