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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the September 5, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
--------------------------------- 
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS 
---------------------------------
Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director


OBSERVERS
--------------------------------- 
Chris Box
Brian Campbell
Darren Dukes
Bob Hinden
Greg Wood

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the August 22, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the August 22, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the August 22, 2019 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-opsec-urpf-improvements-04  (Best Current Practice)
  o draft-ietf-mpls-rfc8287-len-clarification-04  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-perc-double-12  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-07  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ospf-yang-28  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-grow-bmp-adj-rib-out-07  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-lamps-cms-mix-with-psk-07  (Proposed Standard)
    draft-ietf-alto-xdom-disc-06  (Proposed Standard)
    
1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-ietf-tls-grease-04  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-httpbis-rand-access-live-04  (Experimental)

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-core-object-
    security [IANA #1141664].
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8554 [IANA 
    #1142796].
  o Barry Leiba to come up with a proposal for moving Last Call 
    discussions to a separate mailing list.
  o Suresh Krishnan to ask Heather F and Sandy G to introduce the 
    Updates Tags Document (draft-kuehlewind-update-tag) to the RFC-
    Interest email list for discussion, and inform the community via the 
    IETF discussion list with a pointer to RFC-Interest.

IN PROGRESS:
  o Ignas Bagdonas to propose an additional question on YANG Model 
    format validation for each of the styles of document write-ups.
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Martin Vigoureux to work with the IESG to create a list of possible 
    IESG Tutorials and will prioritize them for scheduling on a series 
    of Informal Telechats. 
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them 
    understand the rules for the NomCom.
  o Roman Danyliw to shepherd the www.ietf.org analytics discussion 
    with the community.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8610 [IANA 
    #1145107].
  o Ignas Bagdonas to find designated experts for RFC 7317 [IANA 
    #1146017].
  o Adam Roach to collate the list of specific "hot topic" items from 
    each Area that will be provided to document authors and post it on 
    the wiki.
  o Adam Roach to send a message to the tools team cc Roman as 
    liaison about removing the required date associated with milestones 
    on WG Charters.

NEW:
  o Barry Leiba, Eric Vyncke, and Warren Kumari to set up a call to 
    discuss the ADD work and report back to the IESG.
  o Barry Leiba to send the plan for last-call@ietf.org to the IETF 
    list.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-11  - IETF stream
    Secure Shell (SSH) Key Exchange Method using Curve25519 and
    Curve448 (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 9
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Benjamin Kaduk. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-oauth-resource-indicators-05  - IETF stream
    Resource Indicators for OAuth 2.0 (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 9
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Roman Danyliw confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-mile-jsoniodef-10  - IETF stream
    JSON binding of IODEF (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 9
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

Roman Danyliw formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised 
by Benjamin Kaduk, Suresh Krishnan, and Alexey Melnikov.*

  o draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-07  - IETF stream
    Simple Two-way Active Measurement Protocol (Proposed Standard) - 4 
    of 9
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, Barry Leiba, and Magnus 
Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-introspection-response-07  - IETF stream
    JWT Response for OAuth Token Introspection (Proposed Standard) - 5 
    of 9
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Adam Roach.*

  o draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-22  - IETF stream
    IPv6 Segment Routing Header (SRH) (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 9
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, Barry Leiba, Alvaro 
Retana, and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc7776bis-02  - IETF stream
    Update to the IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures for the Replacement
    of the IAOC with the IETF Administration LLC (Best Current Practice) 
    - 7 of 9
    Token: Alissa Cooper

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Alissa Cooper confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-core-senml-etch-05 (Has RFC Editor Note)  - IETF stream
    FETCH & PATCH with Sensor Measurement Lists (SenML) (Proposed
    Standard) - 8 of 9
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Adam Roach.*

  o draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-09  - IETF stream
    Handling Long Lines in Inclusions in Internet-Drafts and RFCs (Best
    Current Practice) - 9 of 9
    Token: Ignas Bagdonas

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Suresh Krishnan.*

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items    
  o draft-ietf-rmcat-nada-12  - IETF stream
    NADA: A Unified Congestion Control Scheme for Real-Time Media
    (Experimental) - 1 of 2
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Document Action Announcement that includes an 
RFC Editor Note prepared by Mirja Kuehlewind.

  o draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc5377bis-03  - IETF stream
    Advice to the Trustees of the IETF Trust on Rights to Be Granted in
    IETF Documents (Informational) - 2 of 2
    Token: Alissa Cooper

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Alissa Cooper confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  NONE

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance (avtcore) - 1 of 1
    Area: ART (Barry Leiba

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter.
The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a 
separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will 
place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (September 
19, 2019).

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  o Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach (anima) - 1 of 1
    Area: OPS (Ignas Bagdonas)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement.

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 Designated Experts for RFC 8613 [IANA #1141664] (Alexey Melnikov)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the following 
experts for RFC 8613:

  - Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>,
  - Goran Selander <goran.selander@ericsson.com>,
  - Christian Amsuess <christian@amsuess.com>

6.2 Secondary Expert for Emergency Call Data Type (Adam Roach)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved adding Henning
Schulzrinne <hgs@cs.columbia.edu> as a secondary expert for the 
Emergency Call Data Type table at https://www.iana.org/assignments/
emergency-call-additional-data.

6.3 Next steps on IETF Website Analytics (Roman Danyliw)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.4 Plans for ADD going forward (Alissa Cooper and Barry Leiba)

The management issue was discussed. 

Action item: Barry Leiba, Eric Vyncke, and Warren Kumari to set up a 
call to discuss the ADD work and report back to the IESG.

6.5 Discuss creating a last-call@ietf.org list (Barry Leiba)

The management issue was discussed. 

Action item: Barry Leiba to send the plan for last-call@ietf.org to the 
IETF list.

6.6. IANA Designated Experts for RFC 8554 (Leighton-Micali Hash-Based 
     Signatures) [IANA #1141664] (Alexey Melnikov)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved David McGrew 
<mcgrew@cisco.com> and Scott Fluhrer <sfluhrer@cisco.com> as the 
designated experts for RFC 8554 (Leighton-Micali Hash-Based Signatures).

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.