Minutes interim-2019-iesg-20 2019-10-03 14:00
minutes-interim-2019-iesg-20-201910031400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the October 3, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

OBSERVERS
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Chris Box
Darren Dukes
Francesca Palombini
Greg Wood

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the September 19, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the September 19, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the September 19, 2019 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-12  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pim-reserved-bits-04  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-04  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-09  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-manet-dlep-lid-extension-06  (Proposed Standard)
    
1.2.2 Document Actions
  NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Roman Danyliw to shepherd the www.ietf.org analytics discussion 
    with the community.
  o Adam Roach to collate the list of specific "hot topic" items from 
    each Area that will be provided to document authors and post it on 
    the wiki.
  o Adam Roach to send a message to the tools team cc Roman as 
    liaison about removing the required date associated with milestones 
    on WG Charters.
  o All IESG to discuss on the IESG mailing list which SWOT/PEST 
    topics are the priority, and which three or four should be 
    discussed in Amsterdam at the retreat. 

IN PROGRESS:
  o Ignas Bagdonas to propose an additional question on YANG Model 
    format validation for each of the styles of document write-ups.
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them 
    understand the rules for the NomCom.
  o Ignas Bagdonas to find designated experts for RFC 7317 [IANA 
    #1146017].
  o Magnus Westerlund and Suresh Krishnan to draft an "AD Evaluation" 
    checklist, and add it to the IESG wiki.
  o Alissa Cooper to work with Liz Flynn and Alexa Morris to determine 
    the optimum time for open agenda time for IETF 106 (before 10am as 
    in Montreal, or longer lunch break, or something else).
  o Ignas Bagdonas to send the YANG Model format variation for each 
    style of shepherd document write-up text to Alissa Cooper.

NEW:
  NONE

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-acme-ip-08  - IETF stream
    ACME IP Identifier Validation Extension (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 8
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Roman Danyliw confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-acme-tls-alpn-07  - IETF stream
    ACME TLS ALPN Challenge Extension (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 8
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-sipcore-callinfo-spam-04  - IETF stream
    SIP Call-Info Parameters for Labeling Calls (Proposed Standard) - 3 
    of 8
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-acme-star-09  - IETF stream
    Support for Short-Term, Automatically-Renewed (STAR) Certificates
    in Automated Certificate Management Environment (ACME) (Proposed
    Standard) - 4 of 8
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Alexey Melnikov.*

  o draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-40  - IETF stream
    YANG Data Model for IS-IS Protocol (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 8
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-payload-tsvcis-03  - IETF stream
    RTP Payload Format for TSVCIS Codec (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 8
    Token: Barry Leiba

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-09  - IETF stream
    Ability for a Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) to request
    and obtain control of a Label Switched Path (LSP) (Proposed
    Standard) - 7 of 8
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07  - IETF stream
    Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) Tags for Typed Arrays
    (Proposed Standard) - 8 of 8
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-09  - IETF stream
    Scenarios and Simulation Results of PCE in Native IP Network
    (Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  o status-change-dlv-to-historic-01  - IETF stream
    Moving DNSSEC Lookaside Validation (DLV) to Historic Status - 1 of 1
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alvaro Retana.*

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  NONE

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  o Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange (lake)
    Area: SEC (Benjamin Kaduk)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by Alissa Cooper.* 

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 SWOT/PEST Topics for the Retreat (Alvaro Retana, Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed.

6.2 [IANA #1151831] Acceptance of media type registration from standards 
    organizations DLMS UA and IEC (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG asks IANA to process this 
media-type request, and to add these organizations to the 'Standards-
related organizations that have registered Media Types in the Standards 
Tree.' 

6.3 Important Dates 2020 (Liz Flynn, Secretariat)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the important 
dates for 2020.

6.4 Possible Telechat Dates After IETF 106 (Secretariat)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the telechat dates 
between IETF 106 and IETF 107.

6.5 Proposed Application Behaviour Considering DNS (ABCD) Charter Text 
    Discussion (Alissa, Barry)

The management issue was discussed.

6.6 [IANA #1151876] renewing early allocations for 
    draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG agreed to renew the early 
allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd.

6.7 Last-call mailing list (Barry Leiba)

The management issue was discussed.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 23 September 2019

1. Datatracker Projects
  - The plan was recently updated:
    -- https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN
    -- Need to put Trac and other programs that need Python 2 into
       containers in order to deploy the Python 3 version of the
       Datatracker.
  - A contract for Meeting Application Improvements was awarded to
    IOLA.  Work will begin shortly.
  - A contract for IRSG balloting was awarded to AKAYLA.  Work began
    in June 2019, and it is expected to be finished before IETF 106.
  - A contract for the Datatracker Review Tool was awarded to DashCare
    in August 2019, and it is expected to be finished before the end
    of this year.

2. Community & Other Projects
  - The IETF web site now does a better job with static plaintext or
    PDF pages, such as appeals, appeal responses, and implementation
    reports.  We moved the IESG Statements out of the blog section of
    the web site for example.
    -- See https://www.ietf.org/standards/process/appeals/.

3. RFC Services Projects
  - The RFC Production Center is now using the new format tools.
    -- However, xmlrfcdiff is consuming a huge amount of memory, so the
       RFC Production Center is using other tools until this can be
       resolved.
  - Support for the v3 schema was enabled for I-D submission last July.
  - The IESG needs to make a policy decision about when I-Ds using the
    v3 schema format can be submitted to the IESG for publication on
    the IETF stream.
  - The Tools Team has a Statement of Work for the security of the
    tools used by the RFC Production Center.  Expect to release an RFP
    in the next few weeks for this review.

4. Server Infrastructure
  - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
    in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom
    software to ARC.  The released ARC software cannot be configured to
    handle just a few of our mail lists, but this feature is available
    in the yet-to-be-released version.  Alexey and Henrik continue to
    try to get a response from the ARC developers about a release date,
    but so far we are only getting silence.  This has not changed in
    many months; maybe we will be using our custom code forever.

5. YANG Catalog
  - A sandbox of the YANGcatalog.org is running in a container.  We
    expect deployment of the containerized version soon.

6. SustainIETF.org
  - This domain name has been transferred from ISOC to the IETF Trust.
  - It is now being redirected to ietf.org.

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.