Minutes interim-2019-iesg-22 2019-10-17 14:00
minutes-interim-2019-iesg-22-201910171400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the October 17, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS 
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Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

GUEST
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Colin Perkins / IRTF Chair

OBSERVERS
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Chris Box
Tim Costello
Leslie Daigle
Darren Dukes
Greg Wood

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the October 3, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the October 3, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the October 3, 2019 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
 o draft-ietf-6lo-deadline-time-05  (Proposed Standard)
 o draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-17  (Best Current Practice)

1.2.2 Document Actions
 NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
 o Ignas Bagdonas to propose an additional question on YANG Model 
   format validation for each of the styles of document write-ups.
 o Ignas Bagdonas to find designated experts for RFC 7317 [IANA 
   #1146017].
 o Alissa Cooper to work with Liz Flynn and Alexa Morris to determine 
   the optimum time for open agenda time for IETF 106 (before 10am as 
   in Montreal, or longer lunch break, or something else).
 o Ignas Bagdonas to send the YANG Model format variation for each 
   style of shepherd document write-up text to Alissa Cooper.
 o Magnus Westerlund to find designated experts for RFC 6255 
   [IANA #1153266] 

IN PROGRESS:
 o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
   protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
   on how to assign triage resources. 
 o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them 
   understand the rules for the NomCom.
 o Magnus Westerlund and Suresh Krishnan to draft an "AD Evaluation" 
   checklist, and add it to the IESG wiki.
 o Roman Danyliw to write up how measuring deployments could factor 
   into WG chartering/rechartering.
 o Alexey Melnikov to think about how to analyze how successful WGs and 
   protocols are and why they failed or not.
 o Martin Vigoureux with Wes, Alissa, and Alvaro to work on some
   mechanism to obtain wider or private feedback from people who are 
   disenfranchised; anonymous flagging of offensive emails to inform 
   leadership; more opportunities for private feedback.
 o Alvaro Retana with Warren, Alexey, Martin, Barry, and Roman 
   to work on more transparency in the Datatracker about how long each 
   phase of doc process takes / New datatracker flag to indicate who 
   has the ball, authors or chairs.
 o Alissa Cooper with Warren, Wes, Mirja, Alvaro, Martin, Eric, Ted, 
   Robin (Zhenbin), Deborah, and Roman to work on organized 
   representation of IETF in other fora; Running list of external 
   events where we go explain IETF;  Hire marketing company to produce 
   promotional material toward execs, universities, enterprises, OS 
   communities.
 o Eric Vyncke with Barry, Warren, Robin (Zhenbin), Deborah, and Alexey 
   will work on defining Special Interest Groups.
 o Alexey Melnikov and Warren Kumari to add keyword tags to WG charters 
   to identify specs that pertain to some general concept.
 o Alvaro Retana to work on a framework for analyzing new proposals. 
 o Adam Roach to work on a virtual social room for remote attendees 
   (promoting #hallway)
 o Alissa Cooper and Roman Danyliw to create list of questions where we 
   need answers about IETF participation to make better operational 
   decisions. 
 o Warren Kumari to work on acknowledging shepherds, directorate 
   reviewers in a more standardized/formal way.
 o Barry Leiba and Warren Kumari to write a more concrete proposal to 
   create intermediate step between DISCUSS and COMMENT - "Important 
   Points."
 o Barry Leiba to write a proposal to have drafts expire after 3 months 
   rather than 6 months.
 o Alvaro Retana to work on early shepherding.
 o Alexey Melnikov to organize IoT overview discussion with interested 
   ADs.
 o Ignas Bagdonas to write a draft of an IoT Systems charter.
 o Mirja Kuehlewind to figure out if/how asking questions in advance 
   can work for the IETF 106 plenary.

NEW:
 NONE

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
 o draft-ietf-ipsecme-implicit-iv-08  - IETF stream
   Implicit IV for Counter-based Ciphers in Encapsulating Security
   Payload (ESP) (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 5
   Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

 o draft-ietf-cdni-request-routing-extensions-07  - IETF stream
   CDNI Request Routing Extensions (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 5
   Token: Barry Leiba

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*

 o draft-ietf-core-hop-limit-07  - IETF stream
   Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP) Hop-Limit Option (Proposed
   Standard) - 3 of 5
   Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

 o draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-03  - IETF stream
   RTP Payload for TTML Timed Text (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 5
   Token: Barry Leiba

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Adam Roach and Magnus Westerlund.*

 o draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-tls13-02  - IETF stream
   Using TLS 1.3 with HTTP/2 (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 5
   Token: Barry Leiba

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Barry Leiba. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items   
 o draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-28  - IETF stream
   Bootstrapping Remote Secure Key Infrastructures (BRSKI) (Proposed
   Standard) - 1 of 1
   Token: Ignas Bagdonas

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, and Benjamin Kaduk.*

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
 NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items
 NONE

3.1.2 Returning items
 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
 NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
 o conflict-review-irtf-icnrg-deployment-guidelines-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-icnrg-deployment-guidelines
     draft-irtf-icnrg-deployment-guidelines-07
     Deployment Considerations for Information-Centric Networking
   (ICN) (IRTF: Informational) - 1 of 1
   Token: Suresh Krishnan

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The 
Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that 
includes a conflict review response prepared by Suresh Krishnan.

3.4.2 Returning items
 NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
 o Media OPerationS (mops) - 1 of 1
   Area: OPS (Eric Vyncke)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by Mirja Kuehlewind.* 

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
 o General Area Dispatch (gendispatch) - 1 of 2
   Area: GEN (Alissa Cooper)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement. 

 o Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange (lake) - 2 of 2
   Area: SEC (Benjamin Kaduk)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement. 

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
 NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
 NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1153266] Designated experts for RFC 6255 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Scott Burleigh 
<scott.c.burleigh@jpl.nasa.gov> and Fred Templin 
<Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> as the designated experts for RFC 6225.

6.2 [IANA #1146017] Designated experts for RFC 7317 (Ignas Bagdonas)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Kent Watsen 
<kent+ietf@watsen.net> as the designated expert for RFC 7317.

6.3 IETF 106 Conflict Resolution (Liz Flynn)

The management issue was discussed.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)



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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.