Minutes interim-2019-iesg-23 2019-10-31 14:00
minutes-interim-2019-iesg-23-201910311400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the October 31, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS 
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Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director

OBSERVERS
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Chris Box
Leslie Daigle
Darren Dukes
Mike Jones
Greg Wood


MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the October 17, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the October 17, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The minutes of the IETF 106 BOF Coordination Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the October 17, 2019 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-acme-star-11  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-26  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection-11  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-11  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-bcp-07  (Best Current Practice)
  o draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-42  (Proposed Standard)
    
1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-ietf-6tisch-architecture-28  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-15  (Informational)

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Magnus Westerlund and Suresh Krishnan to draft an "AD Evaluation" 
    checklist, and add it to the IESG wiki.
  o Mirja Kuehlewind to figure out if/how asking questions in advance 
    can work for the IETF 106 plenary.

IN PROGRESS:
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them 
    understand the rules for the NomCom.
  o Roman Danyliw to write up how measuring deployments could factor 
    into WG chartering/rechartering.
  o Alexey Melnikov to think about how to analyze how successful WGs and 
    protocols are and why they failed or not.
  o Martin Vigoureux with Wes, Alissa, and Alvaro to work on some
    mechanism to obtain wider or private feedback from people who are 
    disenfranchised; anonymous flagging of offensive emails to inform 
    leadership; more opportunities for private feedback.
  o Alvaro Retana with Warren, Alexey, Martin, Barry, and Roman 
    to work on more transparency in the Datatracker about how long each 
    phase of doc process takes / New datatracker flag to indicate who 
    has the ball, authors or chairs.
  o Alissa Cooper with Warren, Wes, Mirja, Alvaro, Martin, Eric, Ted, 
    Robin (Zhenbin), Deborah, and Roman to work on organizing how IETF 
    work is described and presented to external audiences.
  o Eric Vyncke with Barry, Warren, Robin (Zhenbin), Deborah, and Alexey 
    will work on defining Special Interest Groups.
  o Alexey Melnikov and Warren Kumari to add keyword tags to WG charters 
    to identify specs that pertain to some general concept.
  o Alvaro Retana to work on a framework for analyzing new proposals. 
  o Adam Roach to work on a virtual social room for remote attendees 
    (promoting #hallway)
  o Alissa Cooper and Roman Danyliw to create list of questions where we 
    need answers about IETF participation to make better operational 
    decisions. 
  o Warren Kumari to work on acknowledging shepherds, directorate 
    reviewers in a more standardized/formal way.
  o Barry Leiba and Warren Kumari to write a more concrete proposal to 
    create intermediate step between DISCUSS and COMMENT - "Important 
    Points." 
  o Barry Leiba to write a proposal to have drafts expire after 3 months 
    rather than 6 months.
  o Alvaro Retana to work on early shepherding.
  o Alexey Melnikov to organize IoT overview discussion with interested 
    ADs.
  o Ignas Bagdonas to write a draft of an IoT Systems charter.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8620 [IANA 
    #1155192].

NEW:
  o Alvaro Retana and Adam Roach to look at updating the I-D Checklist.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-ace-cwt-proof-of-possession-10  - IETF stream
    Proof-of-Possession Key Semantics for CBOR Web Tokens (CWTs)
    (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 5
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

Roman Danyliw formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The Secretariat will 
send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement once 
Benjamin Kaduk confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-6tisch-minimal-security-13  - IETF stream
    Minimal Security Framework for 6TiSCH (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 5
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Mirja Kuehlewind, Barry Leiba, and Adam 
Roach.*

  o draft-ietf-sipcore-digest-scheme-14  - IETF stream
    The Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Digest Authentication Scheme
    (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 5
    Token: Adam Roach

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Adam Roach. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-12  - IETF stream
    Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) Extension
    for LSP Diversity Constraint Signaling (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 5
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper and Suresh Krishnan.*

  o draft-ietf-dnsop-obsolete-dlv-01  - IETF stream
    Moving DNSSEC Lookaside Validation (DLV) to Historic Status
    (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 5
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items
  NONE

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  o status-change-dlv-to-historic-02  - IETF stream
    Moving DNSSEC Lookaside Validation (DLV) to Historic Status - 1 of 1
    Token: Warren Kumari

The IESG agreed to change the status of RFC 5074 and RFC 4431 from 
Informational to Historic. The Secretariat will send a Document Action 
Announcement for each status change.

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-jenkins-cnsa-smime-profile-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-jenkins-cnsa-smime-profile
      draft-jenkins-cnsa-smime-profile-01
      Using Commercial National Security Algorithm Suite Algorithms in
    Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (ISE: Informational) - 
    1 of 1
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Benjamin Kaduk.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  o Media OPerationS (mops) - 1 of 1
    Area: OPS (Eric Vyncke)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending edits to 
the text of the charter to be provided by Eric Vyncke. The Secretariat 
will send a WG Action announcement. 

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o EAP Method Update (emu) - 1 of 2
    Area: SEC (Roman Danyliw)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter.
The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a 
separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will 
place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (December 5, 
2019).

  o Limited Additional Mechanisms for PKIX and SMIME (lamps) - 2 of 2
    Area: SEC (Roman Danyliw)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter.
The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a 
separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will 
place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (December 5, 
2019).

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 IETF Trust Appointment Process (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.2 Approve shepherd write-up text (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the changes to the 
document shepherd writeup pending an edit to be provided by Suresh 
Krishnan.

Action item: Alvaro Retana and Adam Roach to look at updating the I-D Checklist.

6.3 Timers at IETF 106 plenary (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.4 [IANA #1155192] Designated experts for RFC 8620 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 8620 was assigned to Alexey Melnikov prior to the start 
of the teleconference.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)



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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.