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Date and time 2019-12-19 15:00
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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the December 19, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Amy Vezza, IETF Secretariat


ATTENDEES
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Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) / Operations and Management Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat

OBSERVERS
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Chris Box
Jacob Holland
Greg Wood

MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the December 5, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the December 5, 2019 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the December 5, 2019 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions

 o draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-13.txt
 o draft-ietf-6tisch-minimal-security-15.txt
 o draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-24.txt
 o draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-16.txt

1.2.2 Document Actions

 o draft-ietf-clue-signaling-15.txt
 o draft-ietf-clue-protocol-19.txt
 o draft-ietf-i2nsf-applicability-18.txt

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:

      o Warren Kumari to write up draft text on Affiliate Groups
        and send to the IESG for comment.
      o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 7193 [IANA
        #1156270].

UPDATED:

      o Alvaro Retana with Warren, Alexey, Martin, Barry, and Roman
        to work on more transparency in the Datatracker about how long each
        phase of doc process takes / New datatracker flag to indicate who
        has the ball, area director, authors, or chairs.
      o All IESG to submit their metrics data priorities to Roman (deadline
        January 16, 2020).

IN PROGRESS:

      o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting
        protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures
        on how to assign triage resources.
      o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them
        understand the rules for the NomCom.
      o Alexey Melnikov to think about how to analyze how successful WGs and
        protocols are and why they failed or not.
      o Martin Vigoureux with Wes, and Alvaro to work on some
        mechanism to obtain wider or private feedback from people who are
        disenfranchised; anonymous flagging of offensive emails to inform
        leadership; more opportunities for private feedback.
      o Alexey Melnikov and Warren Kumari to add keyword tags to WG charters
        to identify specs that pertain to some general concept.
      o Alvaro Retana to work on a framework for analyzing new proposals.
      o Adam Roach to work on a virtual social room for remote attendees
        (promoting #hallway)
      o Warren Kumari to work on acknowledging shepherds, directorate
        reviewers in a more standardized/formal way.
      o Alexey Melnikov to organize IoT overview discussion with interested
        ADs.
      o Ignas Bagdonas to write a draft of an IoT Systems charter.
      o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8620 [IANA
        #1155192].
      o Alvaro Retana and Adam Roach to look at updating the I-D Checklist.
      o Roman Danilyw to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-lamps-cms-mix-
        with-psk [IANA #1156116].
      o Roman Danilyw to find designated experts for RFC 8471 [IANA
        #1156118].
      o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text on Special Interest
        Groups and send to the IESG for comment.
      o Roman Danyliw to collect feedback from the IESG on the metrics
        data priorities for the IESG to discuss at a future meeting.
      o Ben Kaduk, Alvaro Retana, and Suresh Krishnan to skim the ietf@ietf
        list and collect a list of topics that seem to be the major concerns
        for the community from recent discussion threads.
      o Martin Vigoureux to put together a proposal on disambiguating side
        meetings from IETF meetings.
      o Magnus Westerlund to draft an IESG Statement regarding the IETF
        as the default change controller for IANA Registration requests.
      o Suresh Krishnan to draft a "best errata practices" document and
        post it on the IESG Wiki.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

  o draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-15  - IETF stream
    Extensible Binary Meta Language (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 8
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Adam Roach, and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-09  - IETF stream
    BFD for VXLAN (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 8
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Alvaro Retana, and √Čric Vyncke.*

  o draft-ietf-ace-coap-est-17  - IETF stream
    EST over secure CoAP (EST-coaps) (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 8
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alexey Melnikov, Adam Roach, and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-tls-certificate-compression-08  - IETF stream
    TLS Certificate Compression (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 8
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Benjamin Kaduk. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-13  - IETF stream
    BGP Control Plane for NSH SFC (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 8
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Alvaro Retana.*

  o draft-ietf-mboned-driad-amt-discovery-12  - IETF stream
    DNS Reverse IP AMT (Automatic Multicast Tunneling) Discovery
    (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 8
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Warren Kumari. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-6man-ra-pref64-09  - IETF stream
    Discovering PREF64 in Router Advertisements (Proposed Standard) - 7 of 8
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Suresh Krishnan. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5661sesqui-msns-03  - IETF stream
    Network File System (NFS) Version 4 Minor Version 1 Protocol
    (Proposed Standard) - 8 of 8
    Token: Magnus Westerlund

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

2.1.2 Returning items

  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

  o draft-thaler-iftype-reg-06  - IETF stream
    Guidelines and Registration Procedures for Interface Types and
    Tunnel Types (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send an
individual submission Protocol Action Announcement once Suresh Krishnan
confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent.

2.2.2 Returning items

  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

  o draft-ietf-tls-tls13-cert-with-extern-psk-04  - IETF stream
    TLS 1.3 Extension for Certificate-based Authentication with an
    External Pre-Shared Key (Experimental) - 1 of 1
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a
working group submission Document Action Announcement that includes an
RFC Editor Note prepared by Benjamin Kaduk.

3.1.2 Returning items

  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items

  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

  o conflict-review-vesely-authmethod-dnswl-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-vesely-authmethod-dnswl
      draft-vesely-authmethod-dnswl-12
      DNSWL Email Authentication Method Extension (ISE: Informational)
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response
prepared by Alexey Melnikov.

  o conflict-review-rundgren-json-canonicalization-scheme-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-rundgren-json-canonicalization-scheme
      draft-rundgren-json-canonicalization-scheme-16
      JSON Canonicalization Scheme (JCS) (ISE: Informational)
    Token: Barry Leiba

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response
prepared by Barry Leiba.

3.4.2 Returning items

  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval

  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

  o IP Security Maintenance and Extensions (ipsecme)
  Area: SEC (Benjamin Kaduk)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter
pending edits to the text to be supplied by Benjamin Kaduk.  The Secretariat
will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a separate message to
new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for the
next IESG teleconference (January 9, 2020).

4.2.2 Proposed for approval

  o JSON Mail Access Protocol (jmap)
  Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov)

The IESG approved the updated charter for the working group. The
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement.

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues
6.1 Executive Session: Invitations for leadership training (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed in an executive session.

6.2 Designated Experts for "CMS Encapsulating Content Types" and "CMS Inner
Content Types" (RFC 7193) (Alexey Melnikov)

The management issue was discussed.

The IESG approved Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> and Sean Turner
<sean@sn3rd.com>as the designated experts for RFC 7193 [IANA #1156270].

6.3 Requesting expedited processing for draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-
context-hc-24 (Suresh Krishnan)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved expedited processing
for draft-ietf-lpwan-ipv6-static-context-hc-24.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/)
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.