Minutes interim-2020-iesg-01 2020-01-09 15:00
minutes-interim-2020-iesg-01-202001091500-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the January 9, 2020 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area

REGRETS 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

OBSERVERS
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NONE

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the December 19, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the December 19, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the December 19, 2019 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-41  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pim-drlb-15  (Proposed Standard)
    
1.2.2 Document Actions
  NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them 
    understand the rules for the NomCom.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8620 [IANA 
    #1155192].

IN PROGRESS:
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Alexey Melnikov to think about how to analyze how successful WGs and 
    protocols are and why they failed or not.
  o Martin Vigoureux with Wes, and Alvaro to work on some
    mechanism to obtain wider or private feedback from people who are 
    disenfranchised; anonymous flagging of offensive emails to inform 
    leadership; more opportunities for private feedback.
  o Alvaro Retana with Warren, Alexey, Martin, Barry, and Roman 
    to work on more transparency in the Datatracker about how long each 
    phase of doc process takes / New datatracker flag to indicate who 
    has the ball, area directors, authors, or chairs.
  o Alexey Melnikov and Warren Kumari to add keyword tags to WG charters 
    to identify specs that pertain to some general concept.
  o Alvaro Retana to work on a framework for analyzing new proposals. 
  o Adam Roach to work on a virtual social room for remote attendees 
    (promoting #hallway)
  o Warren Kumari to work on acknowledging shepherds, directorate 
    reviewers in a more standardized/formal way.
  o Alexey Melnikov to organize IoT overview discussion with interested 
    ADs.
  o Ignas Bagdonas to write a draft of an IoT Systems charter.
  o Alvaro Retana and Adam Roach to look at updating the I-D Checklist.
  o Roman Danilyw to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-lamps-cms-mix-
    with-psk [IANA #1156116].
  o Roman Danilyw to find designated experts for RFC 8471 [IANA 
    #1156118].
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text on Special Interest 
    Groups and send to the IESG for comment.
  o All IESG to submit their metrics data priorities to Roman (deadline 
    January 16, 2020).
  o Roman Danyliw to collect feedback from the IESG on the metrics 
    data priorities for the IESG to discuss at a future meeting.
  o Ben Kaduk, Alvaro Retana, and Suresh Krishnan to skim the ietf@ietf 
    list and collect a list of topics that seem to be the major concerns 
    for the community from recent discussion threads.
  o Martin Vigoureux to put together a proposal on disambiguating side 
    meetings from IETF meetings. 
  o Magnus Westerlund to draft an IESG Statement regarding the IETF 
    as the default change controller for IANA Registration requests.
  o Suresh Krishnan to draft a "best errata practices" document and 
    post it on the IESG Wiki.

NEW:
  NONE

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-ipsecme-qr-ikev2-10  - IETF stream
    Mixing Preshared Keys in IKEv2 for Post-quantum Resistance
    (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 3
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Benjamin Kaduk confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-mboned-deprecate-interdomain-asm-06  - IETF stream
    Deprecating ASM for Interdomain Multicast (Best Current Practice) - 
    2 of 3
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Warren Kumari confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-jmap-websocket-04  - IETF stream
    A JSON Meta Application Protocol (JMAP) Subprotocol for WebSocket
    (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 3
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper and Benjamin Kaduk.*

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items   
  o draft-ietf-mboned-ieee802-mcast-problems-11  - IETF stream
    Multicast Considerations over IEEE 802 Wireless Media
    (Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Eric Vyncke

Warren Kumari formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised 
by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, and Benjamin Kaduk.*

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-irtf-icnrg-disaster-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-icnrg-disaster
      draft-irtf-icnrg-disaster-09
      Research Directions for Using ICN in Disaster Scenarios (IRTF:
    Informational) - 1 of 2
    Token: Eric Vyncke

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The 
Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that 
includes a conflict review response prepared by Eric Vyncke.

  o conflict-review-irtf-icnrg-terminology-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-icnrg-terminology
      draft-irtf-icnrg-terminology-07
      Information-Centric Networking (ICN): CCNx and NDN Terminology
    (IRTF: Informational) - 2 of 2
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The 
Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that 
includes a conflict review response prepared by Mirja Kuehlewind.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  o IP Security Maintenance and Extensions (ipsecme) - 1 of 1
    Area: SEC (Benjamin Kaduk)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 Designated Experts for "CMS Encapsulating Content Types" and "CMS 
    Inner Content Types" (RFC 7193) (Alexey Melnikov)

The management item was discussed. The IESG approved Jim Schaad 
<ietf@augustcellars.com> as an additional designated expert for "CMS 
Encapsulating Content Types" and "CMS Inner Content Types" (RFC 7193), 
joining Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> and Sean Turner 
<sean@sn3rd.com>.

6.2 Designated Experts for RFC 8620 (Alexey Melnikov)

The management item was discussed. The IESG approved Neil Jenkins 
<neilj@fastmailteam.com> and Chris Newman <chris.newman@oracle.com> as 
designated experts for RFC 8620 [IANA #1155192]. 

6.3 Executive Session: Take-down request: draft-anonymous-rtgwg-
   hlarp-00.txt (Alissa Cooper)

The management item was discussed in an executive session.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)


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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.