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Minutes interim-2020-iesg-02 2020-01-23 15:00

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Date and time 2020-01-23 15:00
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Minutes of the January 23, 2020 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director

Erik Kline
Tommy Pauly

1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the January 9, 2020 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the January 9, 2020 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the January 9, 2020 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-ace-coap-est-18  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions

1.3 Review of Action Items

  o Adam Roach to work on a virtual social room for remote attendees 
    (promoting #hallway)
  o Roman Danilyw to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-lamps-cms-mix-
    with-psk [IANA #1156116].

  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Alexey Melnikov to think about how to analyze how successful WGs and 
    protocols are and why they failed or not.
  o Martin Vigoureux with Wes, and Alvaro to work on some
    mechanism to obtain wider or private feedback from people who are 
    disenfranchised; anonymous flagging of offensive emails to inform 
    leadership; more opportunities for private feedback.
  o Alvaro Retana with Warren, Alexey, Martin, Barry, and Roman 
    to work on more transparency in the Datatracker about how long each 
    phase of doc process takes / New datatracker flag to indicate who 
    has the ball, area directors, authors, or chairs.
  o Alexey Melnikov and Warren Kumari to add keyword tags to WG charters 
    to identify specs that pertain to some general concept.
  o Alvaro Retana to work on a framework for analyzing new proposals. 
  o Warren Kumari to work on acknowledging shepherds, directorate 
    reviewers in a more standardized/formal way.
  o Alexey Melnikov to organize IoT overview discussion with interested 
  o Ignas Bagdonas to write a draft of an IoT Systems charter.
  o Alvaro Retana and Adam Roach to look at updating the I-D Checklist.
  o Roman Danilyw to find designated experts for RFC 8471 [IANA 
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text on Special Interest 
    Groups and send to the IESG for comment.
  o All IESG to submit their metrics data priorities to Roman (deadline 
    January 23, 2020).
  o Roman Danyliw to collect feedback from the IESG on the metrics 
    data priorities for the IESG to discuss at a future meeting.
  o Ben Kaduk, Alvaro Retana, and Suresh Krishnan to skim the ietf@ietf 
    list and collect a list of topics that seem to be the major concerns 
    for the community from recent discussion threads.
  o Martin Vigoureux to put together a proposal on disambiguating side 
    meetings from IETF meetings. 
  o Magnus Westerlund to draft an IESG Statement regarding the IETF 
    as the default change controller for IANA Registration requests.
  o Suresh Krishnan to draft a "best errata practices" document and 
    post it on the IESG Wiki.
  o Roman Danyliw to find designated experts for RFC 7636 [IANA 


2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-intarea-provisioning-domains-10  - IETF stream
    Discovering Provisioning Domain Names and Data (Proposed Standard) - 
    1 of 3
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

Eric Vyncke formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised 
by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Adam Roach.*

  o draft-ietf-regext-login-security-07  - IETF stream
    Login Security Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol
    (EPP) (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 3
    Token: Barry Leiba

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Alexey Melnikov.*

  o draft-ietf-pce-stateful-flags-00  - IETF stream
    Updated Rules for Processing Stateful PCE Request Parameters Flags
    (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 3
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alvaro Retana.*

2.1.2 Returning items

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items    
  o draft-nottingham-rfc7320bis-03  - IETF stream
    URI Design and Ownership (Best Current Practice) - 1 of 1
    Token: Adam Roach

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send
an individual submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.2.2 Returning items

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

2.3.2 Returning items

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

3.1.2 Returning items

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

3.2.2 Returning items

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

3.3.2 Returning items

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-carpenter-limited-domains-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-carpenter-limited-domains
      Limited Domains and Internet Protocols (ISE: Informational) - 1 of 
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The conflict review remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mirja Kuehlewind.*

  o conflict-review-google-self-published-geofeeds-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-google-self-published-geofeeds
      A Format for Self-published IP Geolocation Feeds (ISE:
    Informational) - 2 of 2
    Token: Alissa Cooper

Warren Kumari formally recused himself from the discussion. The IESG has 
no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document. The Secretariat 
will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC Independent 
Submissions Editor pending edits to the conflict review response 
prepared by Alissa Cooper.

3.4.2 Returning items

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  o Reliable and Available Wireless (raw) - 1 of 1
    Area: RTG (Deborah Brungard)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by Magnus Westerlund.*  

4.1.2 Proposed for approval

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

4.2.2 Proposed for approval

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1156116] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-lamps-cms-mix-with- 
    psk (RFC 8696) (Roman Danyliw)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Jim Schaad 
<> (primary) and Russ Housley 
<> (secondary) as the designated experts for RFC-
ietf-lamps-cms-mix-with-psk (RFC 8696).

6.2 [IANA #1160634] Designated experts for RFC 7636 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 7636 was assigned to Roman Danyliw prior to the start of 
the teleconference. 

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 14 January 2020

1. Datatracker Projects
  - The plan has seen very few updates in the last few months:
  - A contract for Meeting Application Improvements was awarded to
    IOLA.  The work related to the database models is complete and
    deployed; the works related to the user interface is expected to
    complete in the next few weeks.
  - A contract for the first part of the automated meeting schedule
    generation was awarded to DashCare, and work is underway.  This
    is the first part of a bigger project; this part will provide
    better models for conflicts that have previously been captured
    as lore or text comments.
  - A contract for IRSG balloting was awarded to AKAYLA.  Work was
    finished in December 2019, and it has been deployed.
  - A contract for the Datatracker Review Tool was awarded to
    DashCare.  Work was finished in December 2019, and it has been
  - Contracts for Tools Maintenance and Minor Tools Enhancements were
    awarded to Elf Tools and Painless Security, respectively.  These
    contracts provide coverage for all of 2020.

2. Community & Other Projects
  - A prototyping server for the IETF web site now includes Matomo,
    and it has been integrated with our Wagtail website.  It is ready
    for production, and it is collecting the desired analytics.  The
    updated privacy policy has been announced to the community, so the
    analytics capability will be deployed soon.

3. RFC Services Projects
  - The server used by the RFC Production Center needs to be upgraded
    to Python 3.6 to resolve a problem with one of the libraries used to
    produce the PDF files.  This will be quickly resolved by the
  - The Tools Team developed a Statement of Work for a security review
    of the tools used by the RFC Production Center, and the IETF LLC
    used it as part of an RFP.  The RFP did not result in an award.
    The IETF LLC Executive Director will re-issue the RFP later this
    month or early February.  Obviously, this means that the work will
    take place later than originally planned.

4. Server Infrastructure
  - We plan to transition all IETF services to a new virtual server
    group in late January 2020, which will move us to the latest
    operating system release, Python, and other software.
  - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
    in June 2018.  This software seems to be a better fit for the IETF
    than OpenARC.  This software does not support the Internet-Draft
    and leadership email aliases.  Once the virtual server upgrade is
    complete, we will investigate how to handle the email aliases.

5. YANG Catalog
  - Current focus it to better support the posting of YANG modules by
    other SDOs.
  - A sandbox of the is running in a container.  We
    expect deployment of the containerized version later this year.
  - A contract for YANG Catalog  Maintenance was awarded to  The contract provide coverage for all of 2020.

* Please see the Datatracker ( 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.