Minutes interim-2020-iesg-03 2020-02-06 15:00
minutes-interim-2020-iesg-03-202002061500-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the February 6, 2020 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Martin Duke / F5 Networks Inc / incoming Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Erik Kline / Loon LLC / incoming Internet Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy / Facebook / incoming Applications and Real-Time Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Robert Wilton / Cisco Systems / incoming Operations and Management Area

REGRETS 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director

OBSERVERS
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Chris Box
Brenda Lyons
Benjamin Schwartz
Greg Wood

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the January 23, 2020 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the January 23, 2020 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the January 23, 2020 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-pce-stateful-flags-01  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-17  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Roman Danilyw to find designated experts for RFC 8471 [IANA 
    #1156118].
  o All IESG to submit their metrics data priorities to Roman (deadline 
    January 23, 2020).
  o Roman Danyliw to collect feedback from the IESG on the metrics 
    data priorities for the IESG to discuss at a future meeting.
  o Adam Roach to draft a message to the WG Chairs email list 
    regarding the ability to dispense with milestone dates in the 
    datatracker.

UPDATED: 
  o Suresh Krishnan to write a draft of an IoT Systems charter (was: 
    Ignas Bagdonas to write a draft of an IoT Systems charter).

IN PROGRESS:
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Alexey Melnikov to think about how to analyze how successful WGs and 
    protocols are and why they failed or not.
  o Martin Vigoureux with Wes, and Alvaro to work on some
    mechanism to obtain wider or private feedback from people who are 
    disenfranchised; anonymous flagging of offensive emails to inform 
    leadership; more opportunities for private feedback.
  o Alvaro Retana with Warren, Alexey, Martin, Barry, and Roman 
    to work on more transparency in the Datatracker about how long each 
    phase of doc process takes / New datatracker flag to indicate who 
    has the ball, area directors, authors, or chairs.
  o Alexey Melnikov and Warren Kumari to add keyword tags to WG charters 
    to identify specs that pertain to some general concept.
  o Alvaro Retana to work on a framework for analyzing new proposals. 
  o Warren Kumari to work on acknowledging shepherds, directorate 
    reviewers in a more standardized/formal way.
  o Alexey Melnikov to organize IoT overview discussion with interested 
    ADs.
  o Alvaro Retana and Adam Roach to look at updating the I-D Checklist.
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text on Special Interest 
    Groups and send to the IESG for comment.
  o Ben Kaduk, Alvaro Retana, and Suresh Krishnan to skim the ietf@ietf 
    list and collect a list of topics that seem to be the major concerns 
    for the community from recent discussion threads.
  o Martin Vigoureux to put together a proposal on disambiguating side 
    meetings from IETF meetings. 
  o Magnus Westerlund to draft an IESG Statement regarding the IETF 
    as the default change controller for IANA Registration requests.
  o Suresh Krishnan to draft a "best errata practices" document and 
    post it on the IESG Wiki.
  o Roman Danyliw to find designated experts for RFC 7636 [IANA 
    #1160634].

NEW:
  NONE

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-19  - IETF stream
    Address Protected Neighbor Discovery for Low-power and Lossy
    Networks (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 5
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-dtn-bpbis-22  - IETF stream
    Bundle Protocol Version 7 (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 5
    Token: Magnus Westerlund

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, Mirja Kuehlewind, Alexey 
Melnikov, Alvaro Retana and Magnus Westerlund on behalf of IANA.*

  o draft-ietf-dtn-bpsec-18  - IETF stream
    Bundle Protocol Security Specification (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 5
    Token: Magnus Westerlund

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Mirja Kuehlewind.*

  o draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05  - IETF stream
    Location Source Parameter for the SIP Geolocation Header Field
    (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 5
    Token: Adam Roach

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Adam Roach confirms that the announcement is ready to 
be sent.

The Secretariat will add RFC 3325 (Informational - IETF stream) to the 
downref registry.

  o draft-ietf-dprive-bcp-op-08  - IETF stream
    Recommendations for DNS Privacy Service Operators (Best Current
    Practice) - 5 of 5
    Token: Eric Vyncke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper and Benjamin Kaduk.*


2.1.2 Returning items 
  o draft-ietf-perc-srtp-ekt-diet-11  - IETF stream
    Encrypted Key Transport for DTLS and Secure RTP (Proposed Standard) 
    - 1 of 1
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Magnus Westerlund.*

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items    
  o draft-ietf-dots-architecture-16  - IETF stream
    Distributed-Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS)
    Architecture (Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Roman Danyliw confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  NONE

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  o Web Packaging (wpack) - 1 of 4
    Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.* 

  o WebTransport (webtrans) - 2 of 4
    Area: ART (Barry Leiba)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by Alissa Cooper and Magnus Westerlund* 

  o Adaptive DNS Discovery (add) - 3 of 4
    Area: ART (Barry Leiba)

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review pending edits to 
the text of the charter to be provided by Barry Leiba. The Secretariat 
will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message to new-
work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for the 
next IESG Teleconference (February 20, 2020).

  o Trustworthy Multipurpose Remote ID (tmrid) - 4 of 4
    Area: INT (Eric Vyncke)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Magnus Westerlund.* 

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  o Reliable and Available Wireless (raw) - 1 of 1
    Area: RTG (Deborah Brungard)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending edits to 
the text of the charter to be provided by Deborah Brungard. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement. 

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o QUIC (quic) - 1 of 1
    Area: TSV (Magnus Westerlund)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter.
The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a 
separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will 
place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (February 
20, 2020).

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues
6.1 Designated Experts for RFC 8471 [IANA #1156118] (Roman Danyliw)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Andrei Popov 
<Andrei.Popov@microsoft.com> and Dirk Balfanz <balfanz@google.com> as 
the designated experts for the "Token Binding Protocol" registry.

6.2 [IANA 1159844] renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-
    bum-procedure-updates (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-bum-procedure-updates.

6.3 Executive Session: ISOC BoT confirmation (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed in an executive session. The IESG 
confirmed the IAB's appointee to the ISOC Board of Trustees.

6.4 Retreat timing (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.5. Executive Session: Appeal on draft-nottingham-rfc7320bis

The management issue was discussed in an executive session. 

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)



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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.