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minutes-interim-2020-iesg-06-202003051500-00
INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the March 5, 2020 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Martin Duke / F5 Networks Inc / incoming Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Erik Kline / Loon LLC / incoming Internet Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy / Facebook / incoming Applications and Real-Time Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alice Russo (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Robert Wilton / Cisco Systems / incoming Operations and Management Area

REGRETS 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director


OBSERVERS
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Chris Box
Francesca Palombini
Greg Wood

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the February 20, 2020 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the February 20, 2020 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the February 20, 2020 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcrdma-cm-pvt-data-08  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5661sesqui-msns-04  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-regext-login-security-10  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-cellar-ebml  
    [IANA #1163482].
  o Mirja Kuehlewind to circulate email on the IESG list about 
    possible IETF-specific superlatives to award.

DROPPED: 
  NONE

UPDATED: 
  o Alvaro Retana, Benjamin Kaduk, and Murray Kucherawy to look at 
    updating the I-D Checklist.

IN PROGRESS:
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Martin Vigoureux with Wes, and Alvaro to work on some
    mechanism to obtain wider or private feedback from people who are 
    disenfranchised; anonymous flagging of offensive emails to inform 
    leadership; more opportunities for private feedback.
  o Alvaro Retana and Barry Leiba, with Warren Kumari, Alexey Melnikov, 
    Martin Vigoureux, and Roman Danyliw to work on more transparency in 
    the Datatracker about how long each phase of doc process takes / New 
    datatracker flag to indicate who has the ball: area directors, 
    authors, or chairs.
  o Alexey Melnikov and Warren Kumari to add keyword tags to WG charters 
    to identify specs that pertain to some general concept.
  o Alvaro Retana to work on a framework for analyzing new proposals. 
  o Warren Kumari to work on acknowledging shepherds, directorate 
    reviewers in a more standardized/formal way.
  o Alexey Melnikov to organize IoT overview discussion with interested 
    ADs.
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text on Special Interest 
    Groups and send to the IESG for comment.
  o Magnus Westerlund to draft an IESG Statement regarding the IETF 
    as the default change controller for IANA Registration requests.
  o Suresh Krishnan to draft a "best errata practices" document and 
    post it on the IESG Wiki.
  o Roman Danyliw to find designated experts for RFC 7636 [IANA 
    #1160634].
  o Suresh Krishnan to write a draft of an IoT Systems charter.
  o Suresh Krishnan to find designated experts for the IPv6 Low Power 
    Personal Area Network Parameters registries [IANA #1163481].
  o Ben Kaduk, Alvaro Retana, and Suresh Krishnan to divide community
    suggestions in the "AD Workload" thread into workload-specific 
    topics and workflow-related topics.

NEW:
  NONE

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-ecrit-data-only-ea-21  - IETF stream
    Non-Interactive Emergency Calls (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 3
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Alexey Melnikov.*

  o draft-ietf-pim-msdp-yang-15  - IETF stream
    A YANG Data Model for Multicast Source Discovery Protocol (MSDP)
    (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 3
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-lamps-5480-ku-clarifications-02  - IETF stream
    Clarifications for Elliptic Curve Cryptogtaphy Subject Public Key
    Information (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 3
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items    
  o draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-30  - IETF stream
    Native NAT Traversal Mode for the Host Identity Protocol (Proposed
    Standard) - 1 of 2
    Token: Eric Vyncke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-alto-cost-calendar-19  - IETF stream
    Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (ALTO) Cost Calendar
    (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 2
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  o draft-halpern-gendispatch-consensusinformational-03  - IETF stream
    IETF Stream Documents Require IETF Rough Consensus (Best Current
    Practice) - 1 of 1
    Token: Alissa Cooper

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send an individual submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Alissa Cooper confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items  
  o draft-ietf-avtcore-multiplex-guidelines-11  - IETF stream
    Guidelines for using the Multiplexing Features of RTP to Support
    Multiple Media Streams (Informational) - 1 of 8
    Token: Barry Leiba

Magnus Westerlund formally recused himself from the discussion. The 
document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-14  - IETF stream
    Distributed Mobility Anchoring (Informational) - 2 of 8
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-05  - IETF stream
    Proxy Mobile IPv6 extensions for Distributed Mobility Management
    (Experimental) - 3 of 8
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Mirja Kuehlewind, and Eric Vyncke.*

  o draft-ietf-rmcat-wireless-tests-09  - IETF stream
    Evaluation Test Cases for Interactive Real-Time Media over Wireless
    Networks (Informational) - 4 of 8
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*

  o draft-ietf-ntp-packet-timestamps-08  - IETF stream
    Guidelines for Defining Packet Timestamps (Informational) - 5 of 8
    Token: Suresh Krishnan

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Suresh Krishnan. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-rmcat-eval-criteria-12  - IETF stream
    Evaluating Congestion Control for Interactive Real-time Media
    (Informational) - 6 of 8
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*

  o draft-ietf-tcpm-converters-17  - IETF stream
    0-RTT TCP Convert Protocol (Experimental) - 7 of 8
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Eric Vyncke.*

  o draft-ietf-dnssd-prireq-05  - IETF stream
    DNS-SD Privacy and Security Requirements (Informational) - 8 of 8
    Token: Eric Vyncke

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Eric Vyncke confirms that the announcement is 
ready to be sent.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-dolmatov-magma-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-dolmatov-magma
      draft-dolmatov-magma-05
      GOST R 34.12-2015: Block Cipher "Magma" (ISE: Informational) - 1 
      of 1
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Roman Danyliw.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  o WebTransport (webtrans) - 1 of 2
    Area: ART (Barry Leiba)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group. The Secretariat 
will send a WG Action announcement. 

  o Web Packaging (wpack) - 2 of 2
    Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending a final 
check to be completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will send a WG 
Action announcement. 

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o Transport Layer Security (tls) - 1 of 2
    Area: SEC (Benjamin Kaduk)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a 
separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG 
on the agenda for the IESG teleconference on April 9, 2020.

  o IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks (lpwan) - 2 of 2
    Area: INT (Suresh Krishnan)

The revised charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mirja Kuehlewind and Magnus Westerlund.* The 
Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for the IESG teleconference 
on March 12, 2020.

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1161777] Management Item: Protocol Number for Transparent 
    Inter Process Communication (TIPC) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed.

6.2 [IANA #1163482] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-cellar-ebml (Alexey 
    Melnikov)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Dave Rice 
<dave@dericed.com> as the primary expert and Steve Lhomme 
<slhomme@matroska.org> and Moritz Bunkus <moritz@bunkus.org> as backup 
experts for RFC-ietf-cellar-ebml.

6.3 Approve experts for "The TCP Convert Protocol (Convert) Parameters" 
    registry (Mirja Kuehlewind)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Mohamed
Boucadair <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> as the primary expert and 
Olivier Bonaventure <olivier.bonaventure@uclouvain.be> as the secondary 
expert for "The TCP Convert Protocol (Convert) Parameters" registry 
specified in draft-ietf-tcpm-converters.

6.4 Disposition of HIP-DEX (Benjamin Kaduk)

The management issue was discussed.

6.5 Doodle for a COVID-19 Update Call March 10 (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.