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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the April 9, 2020 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
--------------------------------- 
Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Martin Duke / F5 Networks Inc / Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Erik Kline / Loon LLC / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy / Facebook / Applications and Real-Time Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / IAB Chair
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Alice Russo (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Robert Wilton / Cisco Systems / Operations and Management Area

REGRETS 
---------------------------------
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director


OBSERVERS
--------------------------------- 
Len Hause
Greg Wood

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the March 12, 2020 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the March 12, 2020 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The minutes of the March 19, 2020 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the March 19, 2020 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.


1.2 Documents Approved since the March 19, 2020 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp-28  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-uta-tls-for-email-05  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-21  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-15  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-20  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-6man-icmp-limits-08  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-yang-09  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-cheshire-sudn-ipv4only-dot-arpa-17  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-core-senml-more-units-06  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-alto-cost-calendar-21  (Proposed Standard)


1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-ietf-rmcat-eval-criteria-14  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-tcpm-converters-19  (Experimental)
  o draft-ietf-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark-09  (Experimental)
  o draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-06  (Experimental)
  o draft-ietf-git-using-github-06  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-18  (Informational)
  o draft-gutmann-scep-16  (Informational)

    
1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:

  o Alexey Melnikov to organize IoT overview discussion with interested 
    ADs.
  o Ben Kaduk, Alvaro Retana, and Suresh Krishnan to divide community
    suggestions in the "AD Workload" thread into workload-specific 
    topics and workflow-related topics.
  o Benjamin Kaduk to find designated experts for RFC 8747 [IANA 
    #1164865].
  o Warren Kumari to draft and send email to the WG Chairs list 
    to begin assembling a list of high-level keywords related to WG 
    Charters.
  o Warren Kumari to email the Tools Team to inquire about the 
    possibilities of tagging WG Charters and the level of effort 
    required. 

DELETED:

  o Suresh Krishnan to draft a "best errata practices" document and 
    post it on the IESG Wiki.

NEW:

  o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 7489.

UPDATED/REASSIGNED:

  o Warren Kumari and Alexey Melnikov to add keyword tags to WG charters 
    to identify specs that pertain to some general concept.
  o Erik Kline to find designated experts for the IPv6 Low Power 
    Personal Area Network Parameters registries [IANA #1163481].

IN PROGRESS:

  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Martin Vigoureux with Wes, and Alvaro to work on some
    mechanism to obtain wider or private feedback from people who are 
    disenfranchised; anonymous flagging of offensive emails to inform 
    leadership; more opportunities for private feedback.
  o Alvaro Retana and Barry Leiba, with Warren Kumari, Alexey Melnikov, 
    Martin Vigoureux, and Roman Danyliw to work on more transparency in 
    the Datatracker about how long each phase of doc process takes / New 
    datatracker flag to indicate who has the ball: area directors, 
    authors, or chairs.
  o Alvaro Retana to work on a framework for analyzing new proposals. 
  o Warren Kumari to work on acknowledging shepherds, directorate 
    reviewers in a more standardized/formal way.
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text on Special Interest 
    Groups and send to the IESG for comment.
  o Magnus Westerlund to draft an IESG Statement regarding the IETF 
    as the default change controller for IANA Registration requests.
  o Roman Danyliw to find designated experts for RFC 7636 [IANA 
    #1160634].
  o Alvaro Retana, Benjamin Kaduk, and Murray Kucherawy to look at 
    updating the I-D Checklist.
  o Eric Vyncke (with Suresh Krishnan) to write a draft of an IoT 
    Systems charter.
  o Murray Kucherawy to send out a Last Call on marking TCP and UDP 
    Ports 109 as "Reserved" in the "Service Name and Transport Protocol 
    Port Number" Registry.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert-08  - IETF stream
    PASSporT Extension for Diverted Calls (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 6
    Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-dnsop-no-response-issue-20  - IETF stream
    A Common Operational Problem in DNS Servers - Failure To
    Communicate (Best Current Practice) - 2 of 6
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send
a working group Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-mmusic-t140-usage-data-channel-12  - IETF stream
    T.140 Real-time Text Conversation over WebRTC Data Channels
    (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 6
    Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Martin Duke.*

  o draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow-07  - IETF stream
    Registry Data Escrow Specification (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 6
    Token: Barry Leiba

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, Murray 
Kucherawy, Magnus Westerlund, and Robert Wilton.*

  o draft-ietf-tsvwg-datagram-plpmtud-19  - IETF stream
    Packetization Layer Path MTU Discovery for Datagram Transports
    (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 6
    Token: Magnus Westerlund

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Magnus Westerlund. The Secretariat will send an individual
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-egress-04  - IETF stream
    BGP RPKI-Based Origin Validation on Export (Proposed Standard) - 6 
    of 6
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send
a working group Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items 
  o draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-11  - IETF stream
    A Survey of the Interaction Between Security Protocols and
    Transport Services (Informational) - 1 of 4
    Token: Magnus Westerlund

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Eric Vyncke.*

  o draft-ietf-emu-rfc5448bis-07  - IETF stream
    Improved Extensible Authentication Protocol Method for 3GPP Mobile
    Network Authentication and Key Agreement (EAP-AKA') (Informational) 
    - 2 of 4
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-dnsop-multi-provider-dnssec-04  - IETF stream
    Multi Signer DNSSEC models (Informational) - 3 of 4
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Warren Kumari. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-sidrops-rp-06  - IETF stream
    Requirements for Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) Relying
    Parties (Informational) - 4 of 4
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Document Action Announcement.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items  
  o draft-nottingham-how-did-that-get-into-the-repo-01  - IETF stream
    The secret-token URI Scheme (Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send an individual submission Document Action 
Announcement once Murray Kucherawy confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent.

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  NONE

3.4.2 Returning items
  o conflict-review-msahli-ise-ieee1609-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-msahli-ise-ieee1609
      draft-msahli-ise-ieee1609-06
      TLS Authentication using ITS certificate (ISE: Experimental) - 1 
      of 1
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response prepared by Benjamin Kaduk.

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o Deterministic Networking (detnet) - 1 of 1
    Area: RTG (Deborah Brungard)

The IESG approved the updated charter for the working group pending 
edits to the text of the charter to be provided by Deborah Brungard. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement.

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  o Transport Layer Security (tls) - 1 of 1
    Area: SEC (Benjamin Kaduk)

The IESG approved the updated charter for the working group pending 
edits to the text of the charter to be provided by Benjamin Kaduk. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement.

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1165827] Management Item: Acceptance of media type 
    registration from standards organization FIX Trading Community 
    (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG asks IANA to process this 
media-type request, and to add this organization to the 'Standards-
related organizations that have registered Media Types in the Standards Tree.' 

6.2 Response to [IANA #1161777] Protocol Number for Transparent Inter 
    Process Communication (TIPC) (Response to IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the following 
response to IANA:

  While collecting community feedback on this protocol allocation 
  request, one of the most important things that came up was regarding 
  potential ongoing improvements in the Linux kernel for enabling better 
  UDP performance. Given this new information, it appears that 
  allocating a protocol number for TIPC at this point is premature. The 
  submitter has been informed and they agree with this assessment. The 
  IESG requests IANA to close this request without allocating a protocol 
  number.

6.3 [IANA #1167290] Designated experts for RFC 7489 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. 

Action item: Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 7489.

6.4 [IANA #1167382] Management Item: Acceptance of media type 
    registration from standards organization Linux Foundation (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG asks IANA to process this 
media-type request, and to add this organization to the 'Standards-
related organizations that have registered Media Types in the Standards Tree.' 

6.5 Retreat Cancellation (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.6 Designated experts for "CWT Confirmation Methods" (Ben Kaduk)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Ludwig Seitz 
<ludwig.seitz@ri.se> and Mike Jones <michael.jones@microsoft.com> as 
designated experts for the RFC 8747 registry ("CWT Confirmation 
Methods").

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 19 March 2020

1. Datatracker Projects
  - See https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN
    -- Raised the priority for the transition to Django 2.0.
  - A contract for Meeting Application Improvements was awarded to
    IOLA.  The work related to the user interface is underway, and
    IOLA is making good progress.  IOLA is expected to complete in the
    next few weeks.
  - A contract for the first part of the automated meeting schedule
    generation was awarded to DashCare, and the work is essentially
    finished.  The tools team is starting work on the RFP for the
    second part of the project, which is the schedule building.
  - Contracts for Tools Maintenance and Minor Tools Enhancements were
    awarded to Elf Tools and Painless Security, respectively.  In both
    cases work is going well.
  - Investigating how to measure datatracker performance.

2. Community & Other Projects
  - The search at www.ietf.org now provide additional pointers to the
    Datatracker search and the Mail Archive search.
  - As part of the recent server upgrade, Mail Archive was moved to
    Python3 and all third-party resource references were removed.
  - Investigating the use of CodiMD instead of Etherpad.  Also looking
    at the process that should be used in making such decisions.

3. RFC Services Projects
  - One document is blocked on a bug in xml2rfc; the priority of the
    issue was increased, and a solution is expected quickly.
  - The Tools Team developed a Statement of Work for a security review
    of the tools used by the RFC Production Center.  An award was made
    to ZX Security.  A kick-off teleconference will take place soon.

4. Server Infrastructure
  - All IETF services were transitioned to a new virtual server group
    on 22 February 2020.  The few services that are still using Python2
    are now running in containers.  Apache is using Python3.
  - IETF Wagtail website is currently running in a container; there are
    discussions about putting it on a dedicated virtual machine.
  - A major revision to the IETF Wagtail website simplifies many of the
    models; this is part of the transition to the current version of
    Wagtail.
  - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
    in June 2018. A design team was formed to investigate how to
    handle DMARC and the datatracker-managed email aliases.
  - Investigating the use of nginx instead of mod_wsgi.

5. YANG Catalog
  - A development copy of YANGcatalog.org is running in a container. We
    expect deployment of the containerized version later this year.
  - PANTHEON.tech handles YANG Catalog maintenance under contract.

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.