Minutes interim-2020-iesg-10 2020-04-24 14:00
minutes-interim-2020-iesg-10-202004241400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the April 24, 2020 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Martin Duke / F5 Networks Inc / Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Erik Kline / Loon LLC / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy / Facebook / Applications and Real-Time Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / IAB Chair
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Robert Wilton / Cisco Systems / Operations and Management Area

REGRETS 
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Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director

OBSERVERS
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Brenda Lyons
T. Sridhar
Greg Wood

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the April 9, 2020 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the April 9, 2020 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the April 9, 2020 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-mmusic-t140-usage-data-channel-14  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-41  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-kucherawy-rfc8478bis-05  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-git-github-wg-configuration-07  (Informational)

    
1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Magnus Westerlund to draft an IESG Statement regarding the IETF 
    as the default change controller for IANA Registration requests (See 
    draft-leiba-ietf-iana-registrations).
  o Roman Danyliw to find designated experts for RFC 7636 [IANA 
    #1160634].
  o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 7489.

DROPPED:
  o Murray Kucherawy to send out a Last Call on marking TCP and UDP 
    Ports 109 as "Reserved" in the "Service Name and Transport Protocol 
    Port Number" Registry.

IN PROGRESS:
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Martin Vigoureux with Wes, and Alvaro to work on some
    mechanism to obtain wider or private feedback from people who are 
    disenfranchised; anonymous flagging of offensive emails to inform 
    leadership; more opportunities for private feedback.
  o Alvaro Retana and Barry Leiba, with Warren Kumari, Alexey Melnikov, 
    Martin Vigoureux, and Roman Danyliw to work on more transparency in 
    the Datatracker about how long each phase of doc process takes / New 
    datatracker flag to indicate who has the ball: area directors, 
    authors, or chairs.
  o Warren Kumari and Alexey Melnikov to add keyword tags to WG charters 
    to identify specs that pertain to some general concept.
  o Alvaro Retana to work on a framework for analyzing new proposals. 
  o Warren Kumari to work on acknowledging shepherds, directorate 
    reviewers in a more standardized/formal way.
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text on Special Interest 
    Groups and send to the IESG for comment.
  o Alvaro Retana, Benjamin Kaduk, and Murray Kucherawy to look at 
    updating the I-D Checklist.
  o Eric Vyncke (with Suresh Krishnan) to write a draft of an IoT 
    Systems charter.
  o Erik Kline to find designated experts for the IPv6 Low Power 
    Personal Area Network Parameters registries [IANA #1163481] 
    (Deadline: June 1, 2020).

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis-23  - IETF stream
    Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 
    6
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Robert Wilton and Eric Vyncke.*

  o draft-ietf-ice-pac-05  - IETF stream
    Interactive Connectivity Establishment Patiently Awaiting
    Connectivity (ICE PAC) (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 6
    Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14  - IETF stream
    A YANG Data Model for Factory Default Settings (Proposed Standard) - 
    3 of 6
    Token: Robert Wilton

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*

  o draft-ietf-core-stateless-06  - IETF stream
    Extended Tokens and Stateless Clients in the Constrained
    Application Protocol (CoAP) (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 6
    Token: Barry Leiba

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Erik Kline.*

  o draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-14  - IETF stream
    Extended DNS Errors (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 6
    Token: Barry Leiba

Warren Kumari formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised 
by Benjamin Kaduk and Eric Vyncke.*

  o draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-token-authnz-13  - IETF stream
    Third-Party Token-based Authentication and Authorization for
    Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 6
    Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Magnus Westerlund.*

2.1.2 Returning items
  o draft-ietf-pim-msdp-yang-18  - IETF stream
    A YANG Data Model for Multicast Source Discovery Protocol (MSDP)
    (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Alvaro Retana. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items   
  o draft-ietf-detnet-data-plane-framework-05  - IETF stream
    DetNet Data Plane Framework (Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Deborah Brungard. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-dold-payto-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-dold-payto
      draft-dold-payto-12
      The 'payto' URI scheme for payments (ISE: Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Barry Leiba

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Barry Leiba.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  o Automatic SIP trunking And Peering (asap) - 1 of 1
    Area: ART (Murray Kucherawy)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve 
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*  

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues
6.1 [IANA #1167290] Designated experts for RFC 7489 (Murray Kucherawy)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Scott Kitterman
<scott@kitterman.com> as the designated expert for the registries in RFC 
7489 (DMARC Tag Registry and DMARC Report Format Registry).

6.2 Updating Ballot Pointers in Last Call Text (Secretariat)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.3 [IANA #1164643] Renewing early allocations for RFC 8111 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
allocations for RFC 8111.

6.4 [IANA #1167929] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-ospf-te-
    link-attr-reuse (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
allocations for draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse.

6.5 BOF Deadline for 108 (Alissa Cooper)

The management issue was discussed. 

6.6 Designated experts for RFC 7636 [IANA #1160634] (Roman Danyliw)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved  John Bradley 
<ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com> and Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com> as the 
designated experts for RFC 7636.

6.7 "AD Followup" versus "Point Raised - Writeup Needed"

The management issue was discussed. The Secretariat will ask the Tools 
Team to remove the "Point Raised - Writeup Needed" sub-state from the 
Datatracker.

6.8 Executive Session: Appeal to the IESG re WGLC of draft-ietf-spring-
    srv6-network-programming

The management issue was discussed in an executive session. 

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 14 April 2020

1. Datatracker Projects
 - See https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN
   -- Raised the priority for the transition to Django 2.0.
   -- Raised the priority for the transition to PostgreSQL.
 - IOLA has completed the work on Meeting Application Improvements,
   and testings by the Secretariat will begin this week.  Of course,
   issues raised in testing will be resolved promptly.

  - IOLA has delivered part of the work on Meeting Application
    Improvements, and testing by the Secretariat on the meeting
    schedule editing capability will begin this week.  Of course,
    issues raised in testing will be resolved promptly.  IOLA is
    continuing to work on the rest of their contract deliverables.

 - Dashcare completed the first part of the automated meeting schedule
   builder, and now the IETF LLC is negotiating for the work to begin
   on the second part, which is the pat that will actually generate a
   draft IETF meeting schedule for the Secretariat.
 - Contracts for Tools Maintenance and Minor Tools Enhancements were
   awarded to Elf Tools and Painless Security, respectively.  In both
   cases work is going well.
 - Heads up: There is an on going discussion about NomCom eligibility
   in light of an all virtual IETF 107.  Discussions have begun
   regarding the changes that might be needed to support the
   Secretariat in seating the next NomCom.

2. Community & Other Projects
 - Investigating the use of CodiMD instead of Etherpad was delayed by
   the work in the Datatracker to support an all virtual IETF meeting.
   Current plan is to deploy CodiMD in a cloud service and let any
   groups that have a desire experiment with CodiMD.  This experiment
   should show whether CodiMD is a better fit for IETF needs than
   Etherpad.
 - Discussions have begun about how Meetecho can be used to support
   virtual interim meetings.

3. RFC Services Projects
 - Some documents were blocked by a bug in xml2rfc; the fix was 
   released earlier today.
 - ZX Security will conduct a security review of the tools used by the
   RFC Production Center in April and early May.  Once any security
   problems that are found are fixed, these tools will be released to
   a open source repository.

4. Server Infrastructure
 - Exploring the use of nginx in front of some web sites.

5. YANG Catalog
 - A development copy of YANGcatalog.org is running in a container.
   We are exploring the deployment of that container in the cloud
   service.
 - PANTHEON.tech handles YANG Catalog maintenance and many
   administrative actions under contract.  We are exploring which of
   the administrative actions could be performed by the Secretariat,
   and how the web interface would need to change for them to do so.

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.