Minutes interim-2020-iesg-22 2020-10-08 14:00
minutes-interim-2020-iesg-22-202010081400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the October 8, 2020 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Martin Duke (F5 Networks Inc) / Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Erik Kline (Loon LLC) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Facebook) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / IAB ChairWarren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Robert Wilton (Cisco Systems) / Operations and Management Area

REGRETS
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Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

OBSERVERS
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Adrian Farrel
Tim McSweeney
Francesca Palombini
Greg Wood

MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the September 24, 2020 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the September 24, 2020 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the September 24, 2020 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-lamps-ocsp-nonce-05  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-cbor-7049bis-16  (Internet Standard)
    
1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-ietf-capport-architecture-10  (Informational)
    
1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Martin Vigoureux with Wes, and Alvaro to work on some
    mechanism to obtain wider or private feedback from people who are 
    disenfranchised; anonymous flagging of offensive emails to inform 
    leadership; more opportunities for private feedback.
  o Barry Leiba to discuss possible datatracker feature request 
    regarding flagging who is responsible for the next step for a 
    document; the document authors, the WG Chairs, the AD Discuss 
    Holder, or the Responsible AD, with Robert Sparks. The feature 
    request should include a "length of time in state" flag.
  o Martin Vigoureux to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-babel-
    rfc6126bis [IANA #1178016] 

IN PROGRESS:
  o Warren Kumari to work on acknowledging shepherds, directorate 
    reviewers in a more standardized/formal way.
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text on Special Interest 
    Groups and send to the IESG for comment.
  o Alvaro Retana, Benjamin Kaduk, and Murray Kucherawy to look at 
    updating the I-D Checklist.
  o Alvaro Retana and Martin Vigoureux to draft text on guidance 
    regarding the number of document authors on documents. 
  o Alvaro Retana, Rob Wilton, Alissa Cooper, and Martin Vigoureux to 
    draft text on the framework for a long-term future plan for the 
    IETF. 
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text for a request to the Tools Team to move 
    BoF requests from the BoF Wiki to the Datatracker. 
  o Alvaro Retana, Warren Kumari, and Barry Leiba to draft clarifying 
    text on Errata Best Practices.
  o Eric Vyncke to follow up on the suggestion at IETF 108 to share a 
    list of grammar checking tools with the community.
  o Robert Wilton and Warren Kumari to draft a charter for a proposed 
    IOTOPS Working Group.
  o Roman Danyliw and Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for 
    RFC 8894 [IANA #1177950].
  o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 8876 [IANA 
    #1178766].
  o Robert Wilton, Alissa Cooper, Alvaro Retana, and Warren Kumari 
    to gather more data regarding the impact of COVID-19 on the IETF.
  o Martin Vigoureux and Alvaro Retana to work with Jay Daley on the 
    process for using EthicsPoint incident management software as 
    the mechanism of private feedback and anonymous reporting.
  o Barry Leiba to draft a policy about when to create and announce 
    mailing lists for new potential Working Groups in order to 
    facilitate discussion of the Proposed WG charters.
  o Erik Kline to find Designated Experts for RFC 8915 [IANA #1179647].

NEW:
  NONE

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items   
  o draft-ietf-idr-rfc8203bis-07  - IETF stream
    Extended BGP Administrative Shutdown Communication (Proposed
    Standard)
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper.*

  o draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-zone-digest-12  - IETF stream
    Message Digest for DNS Zones (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Barry Leiba

Warren Kumari formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised 
by Roman Danyliw and Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-jmap-mdn-15  - IETF stream
    Handling Message Disposition Notification with JMAP (Proposed
    Standard)
    Token: Barry Leiba

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items   
  o draft-hardie-dispatch-rfc3405-update-03  - IETF stream
    Updated registration rules for URI.ARPA (Best Current Practice)
    Token: Barry Leiba

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Barry Leiba. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-18  - IETF stream
    FFV1 Video Coding Format Version 0, 1, and 3 (Informational)
    Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Barry Leiba.*

  o draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06  - IETF stream
    DNS Privacy Considerations (Informational)
    Token: Eric Vyncke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper.*

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  NONE

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  o JSON Path (jsonpath)
    Area: ART (Murray Kucherawy)

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message 
to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda 
for the next IESG Teleconference (October 22, 2020).

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  o A Semantic Definition Format for Data and Interactions of Things 
    (asdf)
    Area: ART (Barry Leiba)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending edits to 
be provided by Barry Leiba. The Secretariat will send a WG Action 
announcement. 

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions 
    (cbor)
    Area: ART (Barry Leiba)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1178766] Designated experts for RFC 8876 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 8876 was assigned to Murray Kucherawy prior to the start 
of the teleconference.

6.2 [IANA #1178016] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis 
    (Martin Vigoureux)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Donald Eastlake 
<d3e3e3@gmail.com> and Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> as the 
designated experts for RFC-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.

6.3 [IANA #1179647] Designated experts for RFC 8915 (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 8915 was assigned to Erik Kline prior to the start of 
the teleconference.

6.4 Possible Telechat Dates After IETF 109 (Secretariat)

The management issue was discussed. 

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/)
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.