Minutes interim-2021-iesg-25 2021-12-02 15:00
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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the December 02, 2021 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Jenny Bui, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Ben Campbell (Independent Consultant) / IAB Liaison
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Martin Duke (F5 Networks Inc) / Transport Area 
Lars Eggert (NetApp) / IETF Chair, General Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Erik Kline (Google) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Facebook) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Ericsson) / Transport Area
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Robert Wilton (Cisco Systems) / Operations and Management Area

REGRETS
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Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / IAB Chair
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area

OBSERVERS
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Marc Blanchet
Adrian Farrel
Greg Wood

MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the October 21 and October 28, 2021 Teleconferences were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the October 21 and October 28, 2021 
Teleconferences were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in 
the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the October 28, 2021 IESG Teleconference

1.2.1 Protocol Actions
o draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-11  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
o draft-ietf-perc-dtls-tunnel-12  (Informational)
o draft-housley-ers-asn1-modules-03  (Informational)

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
o Roman Danyliw to find designated experts for RFC 8739 and RFC 9115 
  (Automated Certificate Management Environment (ACME)) [IANA #1210257].

IN PROGRESS: 
o John Scudder, Martin Duke, and Robert Wilton to review the document 
  shepherd templates and propose changes to include updated questions, 
  cross-area checks, and an expanded section on the use of YANG models.
o Alvaro Retana and Martin Vigoureux to draft a note to wgchairs asking 
  them to always confirm author/contributor status.
o Alvaro Retana and Martin Vigoureux to draft text to include in the I-D 
  submission tool warning about too many authors.
o Murray Kucherawy to update BCP 97 to provide guidance about handling 
  normative references to non-SDO documents.
o Robert Wilton, Alvaro Retana, and Warren Kumari to report back to the 
  IESG on the impact of COVID-19 to the IETF in March 2022.
o Warren Kumari to rewrite the IESG blog post on "Handling IESG ballot 
  positions" as an IESG statement.
o Zahed Sarker to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-quic-http 
  (Hypertext Transfer Protocol Version 3 (HTTP/3))(http3-parameters) 
  [IANA #1217617]. 
o Zahed Sarker to find designated experts for multiple Bundle Protocol 
  Registries (bundle) [IANA #1217632].
o Roman Danyliw to find designated experts for RFC 9158 (SMI Security 
  for PKIX CRMF Registration Controls for Alternate Certificate Formats)
  (smi-numbers) [IANA #1217716].

NEW:
NONE

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
    
  o draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-07  - IETF stream
    ACME Challenges Using an Authority Token (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Murray Kucherawy.*

  o draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-tnauthlist-08  - IETF stream
    TNAuthList profile of ACME Authority Token (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Francesca Palombini, Murray Kucherawy, 
and Eric Vyncke.*

  o draft-ietf-lsr-yang-isis-reverse-metric-04  - IETF stream
    YANG Module for IS-IS Reverse Metric (Proposed Standard)
    Token: John Scudder

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by John Scudder. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-pim-bfd-p2mp-use-case-09  - IETF stream
    Fast Failover in Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode
    (PIM-SM) Using Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for
    Multipoint Networks (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Martin Vigoureux.*

  o draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-20  - IETF stream
    ALTO Performance Cost Metrics (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Martin Duke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Francesca Palombini, Lars Eggert, Zahed 
Sarker, and Eric Vyncke.*

  o draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ospfv3-codepoint-06  - IETF stream
    OSPFv3 CodePoint for MPLS LSP Ping (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Martin Vigoureux. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-alto-unified-props-new-21  - IETF stream
    ALTO Extension: Entity Property Maps (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Martin Duke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Francesca Palombini.*

  o draft-ietf-alto-path-vector-19  - IETF stream
    ALTO Extension: Path Vector (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Martin Duke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw.*

  o draft-ietf-alto-cdni-request-routing-alto-17  - IETF stream
    Content Delivery Network Interconnection (CDNI) Request Routing:
    CDNI Footprint and Capabilities Advertisement using ALTO (Proposed
    Standard)
    Token: Martin Duke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Francesca Palombini and Roman Danyliw.*

  o draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-04  - IETF stream
    BGP Extended Community Registries Update (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Alvaro Retana. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-tlv-09  - IETF stream
    Network Service Header Metadata Type 2 Variable-Length Context
    Headers (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Francesca Palombini, John Scudder, and 
Murray Kucherawy.*

  o draft-ietf-regext-rfc7484bis-04  - IETF stream
    Finding the Authoritative Registration Data (RDAP) Service
    (Internet Standard)
    Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Eric Vyncke.*

  o draft-ietf-oauth-iss-auth-resp-04  - IETF stream
    OAuth 2.0 Authorization Server Issuer Identification (Proposed
    Standard)
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items
    
  o draft-ietf-opsawg-ntf-11  - IETF stream
    Network Telemetry Framework (Informational)
    Token: Robert Wilton

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Robert Wilton. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Document Action Announcement.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
    
  o status-change-http-experiments-to-historic-00  - IETF stream
    Status change of HTTP experiments to Historic (None)
    Token: Francesca Palombini

The IESG agreed to change the status of RFC 8164, RFC 2660, RFC 2774, 
RFC 2310, and RFC 2169 from Experimental to Historic. The Secretariat 
will send Document Action Announcements.

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

  o conflict-review-irtf-panrg-questions-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-panrg-questions
      draft-irtf-panrg-questions-11
      Current Open Questions in Path Aware Networking (IRTF:
    Informational)
    Token: Martin Duke

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The
Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that
includes a conflict review response prepared by Martin Duke.

  o conflict-review-touch-sne-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-touch-sne
      draft-touch-sne-02
      Sequence Number Extension for Windowed Protocols (ISE:
    Informational)
    Token: Martin Duke
    
The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response
prepared by Martin Duke.    
    
3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

  o Software Updates for Internet of Things (suit)
  Area: SEC (Roman Danyliw)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter 
pending edits to the text of the charter to be provided by Roman 
Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a 
separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG 
on the agenda for the next IESG Teleconference (December 16, 2021).

  o General Area Dispatch (gendispatch)
  Area: GEN (Lars Eggert)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate message 
to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda 
for the next IESG Teleconference (December 16, 2021).

4.2.2 Proposed for approval

  o Network Time Protocol (ntp)
  Area: INT (Erik Kline)

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 

  o Delay/Disruption Tolerant Networking (dtn)
  Area: TSCV (Zahed Sarker)
  
The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group pending
the addition of milestones to be provided by Zahed Sarker. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement.
   
5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 Designated Expert for RFC 8667 (John Scudder)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Les Ginsberg 
<ginsberg@cisco.com>, Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>, and Hannes 
Gredler <hannes@gredler.at> designated experts for RFC 8667.

6.2 [IANA #1216109] Management Item: Acceptance of media type 
    registration from standards organization Unidata (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. This management item has been 
postponed to the next IESG Teleconference (December 16, 2021). 

6.3 [IANA #1210257] Designated experts for RFC 8739 and RFC 9115 
    (Automated Certificate Management Environment (ACME)) (Roman 
    Danyliw)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Yaron Sheffer
<yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>, Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>, 
and Thomas Fossati <Thomas.Fossati@arm.com> as the designated experts 
for RFC 8739 and RFC 9115.

6.4 [IANA #1217617] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-quic-http (Hypertext 
    Transfer Protocol Version 3 (HTTP/3))(http3-parameters) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC-ietf-quic-http was assigned to Zahed Sarker prior to the 
start of the teleconference.

6.5 [IANA #1217632] Designated experts for multiple Bundle Protocol 
    Registries (bundle) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for multiple Bundle Protocol Registries (bundle)  was assigned 
to Zahed Sarker prior to the start of the teleconference.

6.6 [IANA #1217716] Designated experts for RFC 9158 (SMI Security for 
    PKIX CRMF Registration Controls for Alternate Certificate Formats)
    (smi-numbers) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 9158 was assigned to Roman Danyliw prior to the start of 
the teleconference.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/)
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.