Minutes IETF 114 BOF coordination interim-2022-iesg-13 2022-06-02 17:00
minutes-interim-2022-iesg-13-202206021700-00

IETF 114 BoF Coordination Call
02 June 2022/16 June 2022

Reported by: Amy Vezza, IETF Secretariat
Revised with notes from:

Additional reference materials available at the datatracker 
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bof-requests)

ATTENDEES
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- Alvaro Retana (RTG)   
- Amy Vezza (Secretariat)    
- Andrew Alston (RTG)
- Cindy Morgan (Secretariat)    
- Colin Perkins (IRTF Chair)
- Cullen Jennings (IAB)
- David Schinazi (IAB)
- Éric Vyncke (INT)
- Erik Kline (INT)
- Francesca Palombini (ART)
- Jari Arkko (IAB)
- Jiankang Yao (IAB)
- Karen O'Donoghue (ISOC)
- John Scudder (RTG)
- Lars Eggert  (IETF Chair)
- Liz Flynn (Secretariat)    
- Martin Duke (TSV) 
- Mirja Kühlewind (IAB Chair)
- Murray Kucherawy (ART)
- Paul Wouters (SEC)
- Qin Wu (IAB)
- Robert Wilton (OPS/MGT)
- Roman Danyliw (SEC)
- Tommy Pauly (IAB)
- Warren Kumari (OPS/MGT)
- Wes Hardaker (IAB)
- Zahed Sarker (TSV)
- Zhenbin Li (IAB)

REGRETS
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Deborah Brungard (IAB)
Mallory Knodel (IAB)
Russ White (IAB)


APPLICATIONS AND REAL-TIME AREA

o Media Over QUIC (MOQ)
Responsible AD: Murray Kucherawy

Murray Kucherawy introduced the proposed Media over QUIC (MOQ) BoF, 
and noted this would be the second BoF for MOQ. 

Mirja Kühlewind asked if there were documents for protocols. Cullen 
Jennings replied there were three documents from different companies 
interested in the work, and the documents would be merged to form the 
basis of the protocol. 

Murray said the group had met via teleconference to work on a proposed 
charter for a new working group.

Éric Vyncke added the work was well defined and he supported holding 
the BoF at IETF 114.

Zahed Sarker said he would be a technical advisor from the Transport 
Area to assist the group.

The proposed Media Over QUIC (MOQ) BoF was provisionally approved for 
IETF 114. At the June 16, 2022 IESG Teleconference the proposed BoF 
was approved.

APPLICATIONS AND REAL-TIME AREA

o Transfer dIGital cREdentialS Securely (TIGRESS)
Responsible AD: Roman Danyliw

Roman Danyliw introduced the proposed Transfer dIGital cREdentialS 
Securely (TIGRESS) BoF effort and noted that this was the second BoF 
for the group. The group previously met as the SECRET BoF, and he 
expected to have a draft charter for TIGRESS in a couple of weeks. He 
hoped the group would be chartered before IETF 114, so mentioned this 
was a placeholder to make sure to get TIGRESS on the agenda.

Francesca Palombini mentioned they were actively looking for chairs, 
and asked everyone to send them leads if they have them.

The proposed Transfer dIGital cREdentialS Securely (TIGRESS) BoF was 
provisionally approved for IETF 114. At the June 16, 2022 IESG 
Teleconference the proposed BoF was approved.

INTERNET AREA

o Stub Network Auto Configuration for IPv6 (SNAC)
Responsible AD: Éric Vyncke 

Éric Vyncke introduced the proposed Stub Network Auto Configuration 
for IPv6 (SNAC) BoF and noted the work was coming out of the HOMENET 
Working Group.

David Schnazi added that he had discussed the work with the proponents 
and encouraged them to propose a tightly scoped working group 
specifically for this work.

Tommy Pauly agreed that a working group on this specific subject would 
be successful. 

Warren Kumari asked if the Internet Area was the appropriate area 
because the work sounded like it would fit in Operations and 
Management.

Éric agreed it could fit in the Operations and Management Area, but 
since it had come from HOMENET, he is shepherding the BoF proposal. 
Warren said the discussion of the appropriate Area could be part of 
the chartering discussion.

Jari Arkko and Russ White are the IAB Shepherds for the proposed BoF.

The proposed Stub Network Auto Configuration for IPv6 (SNAC) BoF was 
approved for IETF 114. At the June 16, 2022 IESG Teleconference the 
proposed BoF was approved.

ROUTING AREA

o Multicast Source Routing over IPv6 (MSR6) 
Responsible AD: Alvaro Retana

Alvaro Retana introduced the proposed Multicast Source Routing over 
IPv6 (MSR6) BoF and reminded the group the BoF had been previously 
approved for a virtual interim BoF between IETF 113 and IETF 114. He 
said the BoF proposal had been recently revised, and the proponents 
were ready to hold a BoF at IETF 114. He added that IAB BoF Shepherds 
Russ White and Deborah Brungard had been active in helping the 
proponents narrow the charter to specific use cases. 

Mirja Kühlewind asked if the BoF had a mailing list yet, and if the 
charter had wide review. Alvaro said not yet, but there have been 
active discussions on the BIER and PIM working  group lists. He 
further stated the draft charter had not yet been widely distributed.

Jari Arkko asked if there was industry demand for this work. Alvaro 
said there were some big providers who have been looking for a 
solution like this, and that would be something for the BoF to assess.

Andrew Alston added the BoF seemed like a good idea, but he had 
reservations about some of the concepts related to limited domain, and 
if the proposed use cases violated that.

The proposed Multicast Source Routing over IPv6 (MSR6) BoF was 
provisionally approved for IETF 114. At the June 16, 2022 IESG 
Teleconference the proposed BoF was approved.


SECURITY AREA

o SCVP Validation Request TLS Extension (VRTE)
Responsible AD: Paul Wouters

Lars Eggert began the discussion of the proposed SCVP Validation 
Request TLS Extension (VRTE) BoF by asking why the work was not being 
done in the TLS Working Group.

Roman Danyliw said they had begun some discussion in TLS after the 
Security Area Directors had asked that as well. Roman expressed that 
he would prefer to wait on holding a BoF until after TLS had a chance 
to talk about it. He also said they could give the proponents time in 
SECDISPATCH as well, and see if a virtual interim BoF meeting between 
IETF 114 and IETF 115 would help them with the work.

The proposed SCVP Validation Request TLS Extension (VRTE) BoF was not 
approved for IETF 114.

SECURITY AREA

o Supply Chain Integrity, Transparency, and Trust (SCITT)
Responsible AD: Roman Danyliw

Roman Danyliw introduced the proposed Supply Chain Integrity, 
Transparency, and Trust (SCITT) BoF, and mentioned there were two 
sessions planned for the SCITT BoF. They would hold a non-WG forming 
virtual interim BoF before IETF 114 to help scope the work, and then 
hold a WG-forming in-person BoF at IETF 114 with the goal of becoming 
a working group before IETF 115. Roman said he has two experienced 
chairs committed to both the virtual interim and the in-person BoF.

Éric Vyncke asked how widely advertised would the virtual BoF be.

Roman mentioned as wide as he could. The security area general list as 
well as the usual channels for interim meetings.

Cullen Jennings said he liked the rapid pace for the BoF.

Mirja Kühlewind asked if they wanted an IAB shepherd for the BoFs.

Roman admitted it was advancing rapidly, and anyone who was available 
from the IAB was welcome to attend the BoF.

David Schinazi and Jari Arkko said they would attend the virtual 
meeting for the IAB.

The proposed virtual Supply Chain Integrity, Transparency, and Trust 
(SCITT) BoF was approved for June 16, 2022. The proposed Supply Chain 
Integrity, Transparency, and Trust (SCITT) BoF was provisionally 
approved for IETF 114. At the June 16, 2022 IESG Teleconference the 
proposed BoF was approved.

SECURITY AREA

o JSON Web Proofs / JSON Object Signing and Encryption (JWP)
Responsible AD: Roman Danyliw

Roman Danyliw introduced the proposed JSON Web Proofs / JSON Object 
Signing and Encryption (JWP) BoF and noted the proponents had 
suggested rechartering the concluded JOSE Working Group. He noted that 
there were multiple ways forward for the BoF, including working on 
extensions of the former working group work. Roman felt the work was 
useful enough to hold the BoF. There were no objections.

Roman noted one of the chairs from the concluded JOSE WG was willing 
to co-chair the BoF. He was looking for a second. 

The proposed JSON Web Proofs / JSON Object Signing and Encryption (JWP) 
BoF was provisionally approved for IETF 114. At the June 16, 2022 IESG 
Teleconference the proposed BoF was approved.

SECURITY AREA/APPLICATION AND REAL-TIME AREA

o Secure Asset Transfer Protocol (SATP)
Responsible AD: Roman Danyliw 

Roman Danyliw introduced the proposed Secure Asset Transfer Protocol 
(SAT) BoF and mentioned that he, Paul Wouters, and Wes Hardaker had 
discussed the proposal and they thought having a BoF would be useful. 
They agree that a non-working Group forming BoF may be more 
appropriate to discuss use cases and scope.

Tommy Pauly asked about examples of use cases. There was a brief 
discussion on use cases and whether this BoF and the proposed TIGRESS 
BoF were working in the same space. 

Martin Duke said he did not think the technology overlapped between the two 
BoF proposals. 

Cullen Jennings agreed.

David Schinazi noted the name of the BoF was not accurate and might be 
worth changing.

Wes Hardaker said when the work had been discussed in DISPATCH the 
proponents had been encouraged to think about broader applications for 
the work. 

Roman noted this was a new area for the IETF, and he wanted to make 
sure the community interested in the work came to the BoF to talk 
about what solutions would be useful for them.

Martin asked, given the BoF could be either Security Area or 
Applications and Real-Time Area, if the Security community would show 
up for the BoF. Wes replied that this was the reason the BoF was going 
forward in the Security Area.

Wes Hardaker noted he had volunteered to be one of the chairs for the 
BoF.

The proposed Secure Asset Transfer Protocol (SATP) BoF was 
provisionally approved for IETF 114. At the June 16, 2022 IESG 
Teleconference the proposed BoF was approved.