Minutes interim-2023-iab-01: Wed 15:00
minutes-interim-2023-iab-01-202301111500-00

Minutes of the 2023-01-11 IAB Business Meeting

1. Administrivia 

1.1. Attendance 

Present:

  Jari Arkko
  Deborah Brungard 
  Lars Eggert (IETF Chair)
  Liz Flynn (IETF Secretariat)
  Wes Hardaker 
  Cullen Jennings
  Mallory Knodel 
  Mirja Kühlewind (IAB Chair)
  Warren Kumari (IESG Liaison)
  Zhenbin Li 
  Cindy Morgan (IAB Executive Administrative Manager)
  Karen O'Donoghue (ISOC Liaison)
  Tommy Pauly 
  Colin Perkins (IRTF Chair)
  David Schinazi
  Amy Vezza (IETF Secretariat)
  Russ White 
  Greg Wood (IETF Director of Communications and Operations)
  Qin Wu 
  Jiankang Yao 

Regrets:

  None

Observers:

  Chris Wood


1.2. Agenda bash and announcements 

  Cindy Morgan reminded the IAB to fill out the poll to schedule the 
  IETF 116 BOF coordination call with the IESG.


1.3. Meeting Minutes 

  The following meeting minutes were approved:

    • 2022-12-07 business meeting - (draft submitted 2022-12-07) 
    • 2022-12-14 technical discussion and business meeting - (draft 
      submitted 2022-12-14) 


1.4. Action Item Review 

  Done:

    • 2022-12-14: Cindy Morgan to send a call for feedback on the IRTF 
      Chair.

    • 2022-06-15: Mirja Kühlewind to check with Robert Sparks/Tools Team 
      on how to document the proposed changes to the liaison tool and 
      approval process.

  Removed:

    • 2022-05-20: Cullen Jennings to look into a possible IAB Technical 
      Discussion on Internet user identity in Internet communications 
      applications. 

  On Hold:

    • 2021-11-17: Mirja Kühlewind and Cindy Morgan to put together some 
      options for the IAB Website revamp for the IAB to review. (Work 
      progressing in the background)
 
  In Progress:


    • 2022-09-07: Mallory Knodel to work with Mark Nottingham on an 
      update to draft-nottingham-avoiding-internet-centralization and 
      bring it back to the IAB to discuss adoption. 	

    • 2022-07-24: Mallory Knodel and Mirja Kühlewind to draft a document 
      outlining the architectural principles that the IAB thinks are 
      important and need to be understood when considering Internet 
      governance. 	

    • 2022-11-23: Liaison Coordinators to add information about 
      potential candidates to reach out to for future IAB-appointed 
      positions to the private IAB wiki.

    • 2022-12-07: Cindy Morgan to follow up on setting up email aliases 
      for each liaising organization.

    • 2022-11-06: Jari Arkko to update draft-arkko-iab-data-
      minimization-principle based on the IAB discussion at IETF 115. 

    • 2022-12-07: Cindy Morgan to send a message to arch-d list about 
      possible adoption of draft-arkko-iab-data-minimization-principle 
      once Jari Arkko updates the document and confirms that the message 
      is ready to go.

    • 2022-12-07: Cindy Morgan to send draft-iab-path-signals-
      collaboration to the RFC Editor pending a new revision from the 
      authors.

  New:

    • 2023-01-11: Cullen Jennings to send email to the IAB with pointers 
      about the current state of end-to-end encryption and user identity 
      management.

    • 2023-01-11: Tommy Pauly to reply to Martin Thomson's email about 
      JSON Web Signatures in W3C.

    • 2023-01-11: Cindy Morgan to send a call for feedback on the ISOC 
      BOT appointment.

    • 2023-01-11: Cindy Morgan to ask the ISOC BOT incumbent if she 
      wants to have a chat with the IAB.


1.5. IAB Document Status Update 

  Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/stream/iab/

    • draft-arkko-iab-data-minimization-principle-03
      I-D Exists, IAB stream 
      IAB Shepherd: Mirja Kühlewind

  Jari Arkko said that he is planning to update the document based on 
  the discussion at IETF 115, hopefully by 2023-01-20.
		
    • draft-iab-path-signals-collaboration-02
      Approved by IAB, To Be Sent to RFC Editor: Informational 
      IAB Shepherd: N/A

  Jari Arkko said that he hopes to have a new version with the final 
  changes by 2023-01-20.

    • draft-iab-protocol-maintenance-10
      IAB Review: Informational 	
      IAB Shepherd: Tommy Pauly	

  David Schinazi said that the authors have reviewed the comments 
  received during the community review process. Many of those comments 
  were not actionable or were not about the latest version of the 
  document. The next step would be for the IAB to vote on whether to 
  approve the document; David asked that this be added to the 2023-01-25 
  agenda. The IAB agreed that if they approve the document, they should 
  send something back to those who commented explaining why the document 
  is being published. 

    • draft-kpw-iab-privacy-partitioning-00
      Active IAB Document
      IAB Shepherd: David Schinazi

  A new version of this document was published as draft-iab-privacy-
  partitioning-00 shortly before this meeting. Mirja Kühlewind noted 
  that the authors are tracking the open issues in GitHub.


1.6. WG Chartering in Progress (Initial Charters Only)

  Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/chartering/	

    • More Instant Messaging Interoperability (MIMI)	
      Approved for External Review Pending Edits (Initial Chartering)
      IESG Telechat: TBD
      IAB Reviewer: David Schinazi

    • Post-Quantum Use In Protocols (PQUIP)
      External Review (Initial Chartering)
      IESG Telechat: 2023-01-19
      IAB Reviewer: Qin Wu

    • Secure Asset Transfer Protocol (SATP)
      Internal Review (Initial Chartering)
      IESG Telechat: 2023-01-19
      IAB Reviewer: Tommy Pauly


2. Usable Formal Methods Research Group 

  The IAB approved the formation of the Usable Formal Methods Research 
  Group in the IRTF. Colin Perkins will proceed to charter the Research 
  Group.


3. JSON Web Signatures in W3C 

  Tommy Pauly reported that W3C has recently taken up work that appears 
  to extend RFC 7515 and RFC 7518, but the title ("JSON Web Signature 
  2020") makes it look like an update to the specification, which is 
  potentially misleading. Martin Thomson (IETF's liaison manager to the 
  W3C) entered a comment on the document raising this concern, and asked 
  the IAB whether they want to take any further action at this time.

  After a discussion, the IAB agreed that it would be best to handle 
  this informally, if possible. Ideally, Martin Thomson's comment on the 
  document will be enough to prompt a change to the title. Tommy Pauly 
  will send email to Martin and ask him to let the IAB know if it looks 
  like the potential confusion is not being cleared up.


4. E-Impact Mailing List

  Jari Arkko noted that the E-Impact Workshop was a success, and there 
  has been a lot of continued discussion on the mailing list, which is 
  currently limited to workshop participants. Jari asked whether the IAB 
  should open the list up, or create a new open list to continue these 
  discussions.

  Mirja Kühlewind asked whether these discussions will lead to something 
  like an IAB Program. Jari Arkko replied that he thinks an IETF WG or 
  IRTF RG is a more likely outcome, given the scope.

  The IAB agreed that a new mailing list should be created, and that it 
  would probably make more sense as an IETF non-WG list at this stage, 
  rather than an IAB list. Jari Arkko will follow up.


5. Next IAB Meeting

  The next IAB Meeting will be on 2023-01-25 at 0700 PST.


6. Executive Session: ISOC Board of Trustees Appointment

  The IAB discussed the IETF appointment to the ISOC Board of Trustees 
  in an executive session.