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Minutes interim-2023-iab-04: Wed 15:00

Meeting Minutes Internet Architecture Board (iab) IETF
Date and time 2023-02-08 15:00
Title Minutes interim-2023-iab-04: Wed 15:00
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Minutes of the 2023-02-08 IAB Business Meeting

1. Administrivia 

1.1. Attendance 


  Jari Arkko
  Deborah Brungard 
  Lars Eggert (IETF Chair)
  Liz Flynn (IETF Secretariat)
  Wes Hardaker 
  Cullen Jennings
  Mallory Knodel 
  Mirja Kühlewind (IAB Chair)
  Warren Kumari (IESG Liaison)
  Cindy Morgan (IAB Executive Administrative Manager)
  Karen O'Donoghue (ISOC Liaison)
  Tommy Pauly 
  Colin Perkins (IRTF Chair)
  David Schinazi
  Russ White 
  Greg Wood (IETF Director of Communications and Operations)
  Qin Wu 
  Jiankang Yao 


  Zhenbin Li


  Mark McFadden

1.2. Agenda bash and announcements 

  An item to discuss draft-arkko-iab-data-minimization-principle, 
  an item on the response to the liaison statements from ITU-T, an 
  item on the call for input from the UN Office of the High 
  Commissioner for Human Rights, and an executive session were 
  added to the agenda.

1.3. Meeting Minutes 

  The following meeting minutes were approved:

  • 2023-01-25 business meeting - (draft submitted 2023-01-25) 

  The following meeting minutes remain under review:

  • 2023-02-01 business meeting - (draft submitted 2023-02-01) 

1.4. Action Item Review


  • 2022-12-07: Cindy Morgan to send draft-iab-path-signals-
    collaboration to the RFC Editor pending a new revision from 
    the authors.	

  • 2023-01-25: Cindy Morgan to invite the ISOC BOT incumbent to 
    IAB meeting on 2023-02-01.

  • 2023-02-01: David Schinazi to confirm with Martin Thomson that 
    he is okay with adding a note to the "IAB Members at Time of 
    Approval" section of draft-iab-protocol-maintenance that 
    concerns were expressed in the IETF community about how 
    broadly it applies in all situations.

  • 2023-02-01: Cindy Morgan to set up agenda wiki pages for IETF 

On Hold: 

  • 2021-11-17: Mirja Kühlewind and Cindy Morgan to put together 
    some options for the IAB Website revamp for the IAB to review. 
    (Work progressing in the background)
In Progress:

  • 2022-07-24: Mallory Knodel and Mirja Kühlewind to draft a 
    document outlining the architectural principles that the IAB 
    thinks are important and need to be understood when 
    considering Internet governance. 	

  • 2022-11-06: Jari Arkko to update draft-arkko-iab-data-
    minimization-principle based on the IAB discussion at IETF 

  • 2022-12-07: Cindy Morgan to send a message to arch-d list 
    about possible adoption of draft-arkko-iab-data-minimization-
    principle once Jari Arkko updates the document and confirms 
    that the message is ready to go.

  • 2022-11-23: Liaison Coordinators to add information about 
    potential candidates to reach out to for future IAB-appointed 
    positions to the private IAB wiki.

  • 2023-01-25: Cullen Jennings to set up a technical discussion 
    on end-to-end encryption and user identity management.

  • 2023-01-25: Mallory Knodel and Jari Arkko to follow up with 
    Mark Nottingham about the IAB's discussion of draft-


  • 2023-02-08: Colin Perkins to see if there is an RG available 
    for review during IETF 116 and try to schedule GAIA either for 
    a conference call or during IETF 117.


  • 2023-02-08: Mirja Kühlewind to draft a response to people who 
    provided feedback on draft-iab-protocol-maintenance.

  • 2023-02-08: Mallory Knodel to draft text on a response to the 
    Call for input from the UN Office of the High Commissioner for 
    Human Rights.

  • 2023-02-08: Mirja Kühlewind to follow up on the Liaison 
    Statements to ITU-T SG13 on Update on Quantum Networking and  
    the new work item Y.SAN "Requirements and architecture of 
    service aware network."

1.5. IAB Document Status Update 

      I-D Exists, IAB stream 
      IAB Shepherd: Mirja Kühlewind
      * See agenda item below
    • draft-iab-path-signals-collaboration-03
      Sent to the RFC Editor: Informational 
      IAB Shepherd: N/A

    • draft-iab-privacy-partitioning-00
      Active IAB Document
      IAB Shepherd: David Schinazi

    • draft-iab-protocol-maintenance-12
      Sent to the RFC Editor: Informational 
      IAB Shepherd: Tommy Pauly	

  Mirja Kühlewind will draft a response to people who provided   
  feedback on this draft.

    • draft-iab-ws-environmental-impacts-report-00 
      Active IAB Document
      IAB Shepherd: Wes Hardaker

1.6. WG Chartering in Progress (Initial Charters Only) 


    • Time Variant Routing (TVR)
      External Review (Initial Chartering)
      IESG Telechat: 2023-02-16
      IAB Reviewer: Russ White

  Russ White asked the IAB if there were any concerns with him 
  providing the IAB review of the TVR charter, considering he was 
  one of the co-chairs of the TVR BOF at IETF 115. The IAB had no 
  concerns, noting that Deborah Brungard had already provided 
  additional comments.

2. draft-arkko-iab-data-minimization-principle-03

  The IAB had a short discussion about the scope of this draft and 
  the IAB's role in privacy-related work in general. Jari Arkko is 
  revising the draft based on feedback received.

3. Liaison Statements to ITU-T SG13 on Update on Quantum 

  Networking and the new work item Y.SAN "Requirements and 
  architecture of service aware network"

  The IAB has reviewed draft text for two liaison statements and   
  there were no objections to either. Mirja Kühlewind will follow 
  up with both statements.

4. A Vision Statement for the Internet 

  The IAB discussed the draft text for a document on "A Vision 
  Statement for the Internet," and what the appropriate scope 
  would be. Mirja Kühlewind noted that the intended audience is 
  non-technical; the goal is to show how the different pieces of 
  the Internet governance ecosystem work together. Mallory Knodel 
  is continuing to revise this text based on feedback received 
  from the IAB.

5. Research and Analysis of Standard-Setting Processes (RASPRG) PRG 

  Draft charter:

  Colin Perkins introduced the RASPRG proposed charter text. 
  Several IAB members noted that they are fine with the PRG in 
  principle but suggested some small changes to make sure the 
  scope is correctly identified. Colin Perkins will proceed with 
  the chartering process with a goal to hold a session at IETF 

6. Call for input from the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights

  Mallory Knodel said that the UN Office of the High Commissioner 
  for Human Rights is doing a consultation on “The relationship 
  between human rights and technical standard-setting processes 
  for new and emerging digital technologies (2023)” and suggested 
  that the IAB write a response. The deadline is soon, on 3 March 
  2023; Mallory Knodel will begin a document to begin answering 
  questions and send a weekly update to the IAB list with 

7. Next IAB Meeting

  The next IAB meeting will be on 2023-02-15 at 0700 PST.

8. Executive Session: Process Discussion

  The IAB discussed a process issue in an executive session.