Minutes interim-2023-iab-24: Thu 15:00
minutes-interim-2023-iab-24-202307271500-00

Minutes of the 2023-07-27 IAB Business Meeting
San Francisco, CA, USA

1. Attendance

Present:

  Roman Danyliw (IESG Liaison)
  Dhruv Dhody 
  Wes Hardaker 
  Cullen Jennings
  Mallory Knodel 
  Suresh Krishnan 
  Mirja Kühlewind (IAB Chair)
  Cindy Morgan (IAB Executive Administrative Manager)
  Karen O'Donoghue (ISOC Liaison)
  Tommy Pauly 
  Colin Perkins (IRTF Chair)
  Alvaro Retana 
  David Schinazi
  Qin Wu 
  Jiankang Yao 

Guests:

  Jane Coffin, GAIA Chair
  Kurtis Heimerl, GAIA Chair

Regrets:

 Lars Eggert (IETF Chair)
 Christopher Wood 



2. Global Access to the Internet for All (GAIA) Research Group Review


  Jane Coffin and Kurtis Heimerl joined the IAB to give an update on 
  the GAIA Research Group.

  The GAIA Research Group is an IRTF initiative that aims to:

    • Create increased visibility and interest among the wider  
      community on the challenges and opportunities in enabling global 
      Internet access, in terms of technology as well as the social and 
      economic drivers for its adoption;

    • Create a shared vision among practitioners, researchers, 
      corporations, non-governmental and governmental organizations on 
      the challenges and opportunities;

    • Articulate and foster collaboration among them to address the 
      diverse Internet access and architectural challenges (including 
      security, privacy, censorship and energy efficiency);

    • Document and share deployment experiences and research results to 
      the wider community through scholarly publications, white papers, 
      presentations, workshops, Informational and Experimental RFCs;

    • Document the costs of existing Internet Access, the breakdown of 
      those costs (energy, manpower, licenses, bandwidth, 
      infrastructure, transit, peering), and outline a path to achieve 
      a 10x reduction in Internet Access costs especially in 
      geographies and populations with low penetration;

    • Develop a longer-term perspective on the impact of GAIA research 
      group findings on the standardisation efforts at the IETF. This 
      could include recommendations to protocol designers and 
      architects.

  GAIA is currently working on an update to RFC 7962: Alternative 
  Network Deployments: Taxonomy, Characterization, Technologies, and 
  Architectures. They are also planning to contribute a chapter on 
  community networking to "Computer Networks: A Systems Approach."

  GAIA plans to set up a GitHub repository to document and share 
  deployment experiences and research results to the wider community 
  through scholarly publications, white papers, presentations, 
  workshops, Informational and Experimental RFCs.

  David Schinazi said that use of GitHub tends to be more successful in 
  groups that used it from the start. Karen O'Donoghue said that GitHub 
  is good for developing projects but may be less so for community 
  communications.

  Jane Coffin said that GAIA's recent success has come from expanding 
  the knowledge about the IETF and what is doing in different 
  communities. At IETF 103 in Bangkok, GAIA was able to bring together 
  people who are building networks in the Philippines with other people 
  who are building similar networks in Southeast Asia.

  Mallory Knodel suggested that GAIA and the Human Rights Protocol 
  Considerations (HRPC) Research Group might consider a joint interim 
  meeting, since there is some overlap.

  Colin Perkins asked whether the work in GAIA could relate to work in 
  a possible IAB E-Impact Program. Jane Coffin replied that it might, 
  especially around the use of different power sources in different 
  markets.


3. Proposed Barriers to Internet Access and Services (BIAS) Workshop 

  Mirja Kühlewind briefly recapped the discussion the IAB had on the 
  proposed Barriers to Internet Access and Services (BIAS) Workshop at 
  the 2023-07-23 meeting for the GAIA chairs.

  Jane Coffin asked if PEARG would also be involved, since they are 
  doing work around censorship circumvention tactics.

  Mirja Kühlewind replied that at this stage, she is just looking to 
  get some external people with knowledge on the topic to help organize 
  the workshop; having someone from GAIA on the Program Committee would 
  be helpful.

  Jane Coffin said that she thought such a workshop could be useful.


4. Followup up on HRPC rechartering 

  Colin Perkins noted that the HRPC recharter has been under discussion 
  for a while, and that latest version attempted to make the research 
  questions more specific. Colin said that he believes this is largely 
  done, and asked to add it to a future IAB Agenda for approval.


5. Followup from IAB Open session 

  Mirja Kühlewind asked the IAB if there are topics from the IAB Open 
  Meeting that require followup, noting that most of the discussion was 
  around the proposed Program on identity management.

  Cullen Jennings said the they would be talking about the proposed 
  program in SAAG later that day.

  David Schinazi suggested getting a mailing list set up for the 
  discussion, and then going through the IAB Open minutes to find the 
  people who spoke up on the topic and invite them to participate.

  Cindy Morgan will set up an identity-discuss@iab.org mailing list.

  Dhruv Dhody asked whether there would be any followup on the late 
  comments on draft-iab-m-ten-workshop. Mirja Kühlewind replied that 
  she will ask the RFC Editor to hold on the document while the IAB 
  reviews the late comments.


6. Statement on PrivacyPass and the Open Web

  David Schinazi reported that Google has an initiative on Web 
  Environment Integrity that may overlap with some of the work done in 
  the PrivacyPass Working Group.

  Tommy Pauly said that the IAB might want to make a statement on why 
  it is important to maintain open access to the Internet as mechanisms 
  are put in place to prevent fraud and abuse.

  Mallory Knodel said that such an IAB statement would need to be very 
  explicit.

  David Schinazi and Tommy Pauly will draft some text for a statement 
  and send it to the IAB for review.