Minutes interim-2023-iesg-18 2023-08-24 14:00
minutes-interim-2023-iesg-18-202308241400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the August 24, 2023 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Jenny Bui, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Andrew Alston (Liquid Intelligent Technologies) /  Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director 
Dhruv Dhody (Huawei) / IAB Liaison
Martin Duke (Google) / Transport Area
Lars Eggert (NetApp) / IETF Chair, General Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Meta) / Applications and Real-Time Area 
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / IAB Chair
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Nokia) / Transport Area
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Robert Wilton (Cisco Systems) / Operations and Management Area

REGRETS
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Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area

OBSERVERS
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Oooonduke
Lee-Berkeley Shaw 

MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the August 10, 2023 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative  minutes of the August 10, 2023 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public 
archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the August 10, 2023 IESG Teleconference

1.2.1 Protocol Actions
o draft-ietf-httpbis-message-signatures-19  (Proposed Standard)
o draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-18  (Proposed Standard)
o draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-15  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
o draft-ietf-ippm-explicit-flow-measurements-07  (Informational) 
 
1.3 Review of Action Items  

DONE:
o Rob Wilton to find designated experts for RFC 9390 (Diameter Group 
  Signaling) [IANA #1275381]. 
o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9420 on Messaging  
  Layer Security (MLS) [IANA #1276814].
o Lars Eggert to write an update to the Support Documents in IETF 
  Working Groups statement.
o Lars Eggert to draft a response to the appeal on the current guidance 
  on interim meetings.
o IESG to decide how to use the experimental Friday afternoon sessions 
  at IETF 118. 

IN PROGRESS:
o Warren Kumari to follow up on a bis document for RFC 8126 regarding 
  designated experts.
o Roman Danyliw to open a Datatracker issue suggesting a feature to 
  better signal individual contributions.
o Andrew Alston, Murray Kucherawy, Zahed Sarker, Martin Duke, John 
  Scudder, and Jim Guichard to draft text regarding document 
  authorship/editorship with regards to the number of authors listed.
o Lars Eggert to facilitate a community discussion on priorities for 
  IESG processes.
o Lars Eggert and Warren Kumari to 1) draft a revision of RFC 4858, 2) 
  draft a revised IESG Statement on Document Shepherds (original 
  statement October 2010), and 3) update the WG Chairs wiki to point to 
  the new IESG Statement.
o Warren Kumari to follow up with the tools team regarding removing the 
  requirement of needing an author email for deceased authors.
o Roman Danyliw to find designated experts for RFC 9393 on Concise 
  Software Identification Tags [IANA #1275658].
o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9457 on Problem 
  Details for HTTP APIs [IANA #1277796].

NEW:
 NONE
 
2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
    
  o draft-ietf-lake-edhoc-20  - IETF stream
    Ephemeral Diffie-Hellman Over COSE (EDHOC) (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Paul Wouters

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Lars Eggert.*

  o draft-ietf-jsonpath-base-19  - IETF stream
    JSONPath: Query expressions for JSON (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Robert Wilton.*

  o draft-ietf-regext-rdap-reverse-search-24  - IETF stream
    Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) Reverse Search (Proposed
    Standard)
    Token: Murray Kucherawy

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw, John Scudder, and Robert Wilton.*

2.1.2 Returning items
    
  o draft-ietf-shmoo-remote-fee-08  - IETF stream
    Open Participation Principle regarding Remote Registration Fee
    (Best Current Practice)
    Token: Lars Eggert

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Lars Eggert confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items
  NONE

3.1.2 Returning items
    
  o draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices-23  - IETF stream
    A Framework for IETF Network Slices (Informational)
    Token: John Scudder

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Paul Wouters.*

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

  o conflict-review-nottingham-avoiding-internet-centralization-00
    IETF conflict review for
    draft-nottingham-avoiding-internet-centralization
      draft-nottingham-avoiding-internet-centralization-12
      Centralization, Decentralization, and Internet Standards (ISE:
    Informational)
    Token: Erik Kline

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response
prepared by Erik Kline.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 DTN Registry Statement (Erik Kline and Zahed Sarker)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the DTN registry 
statement. 

6.2 Ephemeral Diffie-Hellman Over COSE (EDHOC) Designated Experts (Paul 
    Wouters)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved John Mattsson 
<john.mattsson@ericsson.com>, Göran Selander 
<goran.selander@ericsson.com>, and Mališa Vučinić 
<malisa.vucinic@inria.fr> as the designated experts for draft-ietf-
lake-edhoc-20.

6.3 [IANA #1276814] RFC 9420 MLS Designed Experts (Paul Wouters)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Sean Turner 
<sean@sn3rd.com>, Raphael Robert <ietf@raphaelrobert.com>, and Richard 
Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> as the designated experts for:

o MLS Cipher Suites (Section 17.1)
o MLS Wire Formats (Section 17.2)
o MLS Extension Types (Section 17.3)
o MLS Proposal Types (Section 17.4)
o MLS Credential Types (Section 17.5)
o MLS Signature Labels (Section 17.6)
o MLS Public Key Encryption Labels (Section 17.7)
o MLS Exporter Labels (Section 17.8)

6.4 [IANA #1276364] Designated Experts draft-ietf-emu-aka-pfs (Paul 
    Wouters)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Jari Arkko 
<jari.arkko@piuha.net> and Alan deKok <aland@freeradius.org> as the 
designated experts for draft-ietf-emu-aka-pfs.

6.5 Executive Session: Appeal Response (Lars Eggert)

The management issue was discussed in executive session. The IESG 
approved the response to John Klensin's appeal of the IESG Statement 
"Guidance on In-Person and Online Interim Meetings."

6.6 Designated experts for RFC 9390 (Diameter Group Signaling) [IANA 
    #1275381] (Rob Wilton)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Lionel Morand 
<lionel.morand@orange.com> and Jouni Korhonen <jounikor@gmail.com> as 
the designated experts for RFC 9390 (Diameter Group Signaling).

6.7 Support Documents (Lars Eggert)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the text for an 
updated IESG statement on Support Documents in IETF Working Groups.

6.8 Friday at 118 (Secretariat)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG agreed to end sessions at 
17:00 for the Friday experiment.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)
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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/)
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.