Minutes interim-2024-iab-28: Wed 14:30
minutes-interim-2024-iab-28-202408211430-00

Minutes of the 2024-08-21 IAB Business Meeting

1. Administrivia

1.1. Attendance

Present:

  Matthew Bocci
  Alissa Cooper
  Roman Danyliw (IETF Chair)
  Dhruv Dhody
  Liz Flynn (IETF Secretariat)
  Cullen Jennings
  Suresh Krishnan
  Mirja Kühlewind
  Cindy Morgan (IAB Executive Administrative Manager)
  Tommy Pauly (IAB Chair)
  Colin Perkins (IRTF Chair)
  Ryan Polk (ISOC Liaison)
  Alvaro Retana
  David Schinazi
  John Scudder (IESG Liaison)
  Sabrina Tanamal (IANA Liaison)
  Greg Wood
  Qin Wu

Regrets:

  Wes Hardaker
  Christopher Wood

Observers:

  Warren Kumari
  timuthat88


1.2. Agenda bash and announcements


1.3. Meeting Minutes

The following meeting minutes were approved:

  • 2024-08-07 business meeting - (submitted 2024-08-07)

The following meeting minutes remain under review:

  • 2024-08-14 business meeting - (submitted 2024-08-14)


1.4. Action Item Review

Done:

  • 2024-06-24: Cindy Morgan to draft text for the wiki about how to
    request IAB sessions for the agenda, including making sure there
    can be a session request in the Datatracker before scheduling
    requests close.

On Hold:

  • 2023-06-07: Dhruv Dhody and Wes Hardaker to track adding IAB
    review of proposed WG charters to the Datatracker.
    See https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/5849

  • 2024-04-17: Cindy Morgan to update the timeline for the 2025 ICANN
    NomCom Liaison appointment once the list of positions being filled
    is available.

  • 2024-06-24: Dhruv Dhody to coordinate a panel or other activity for
    APRICOT 2025/APNIC 59.
    - Check back October 2024

In Progress:

  • 2024-03-17: Liaison Managers to follow up with Martin Thomson about
    liaison manager for W3C.

  • 2024-06-12: Mirja Kühlewind to work with Wes Hardaker on
    prioritizing the current list of IAB requests for the Tools Team.

  • 2024-06-24: Liaison Coordinators + Wes Hardaker to come up with a
    checklist for liaison relationships.

  • 2024-06-25: 2024-06-24: Suresh Krishnan to draft a document
    obsoleting RFC 3113 (Update RFC3113 to in only high level details
    of the collaboration (3GPP-IETF co-ordination team) and move the
    details to a Wiki. Remove references to technology and org
    structure items that will become out of date quickly.

  • 2024-06-26: Suresh Krishnan, Warren Kumari, Dhruv Dhody, and Éric
    Vyncke will work on text around limited domains.

New:

  • 2024-08-21: Cindy Morgan to send an e-vote for the ICANN Board
    Liaison appointment.


1.5. IAB Document Status Update - No Updates This Week

 Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/stream/iab/

  • draft-iab-bias-workshop-report-02
    Sent to the RFC Editor : Informational
    IAB Shepherd: Suresh Krishnan

  • draft-edm-protocol-greasing-03
    Maintaining Protocols Using Grease and Variability
    I-D Exists, IAB stream
    IAB Shepherd: Not assigned


1.6. IAB Review of WG Charters - No Outstanding IAB Reviews

 Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/chartering/

  • Multiformats (multi)
    Area: ART
    Internal Review
    IESG Telechat: (None)
    IAB Reviewer: Qin Wu (sent 2023-09-12)


1.7 IAB Appointments

  • ICANN Board Liaison - Call for Feedback ended 2024-08-19

  • IRTF Chair - Call for Nominations ends 2024-09-10


2. Monthly Written Reports and Other Brief Updates

2.1 IANA Liaison Report
--Begin IANA Liaison Report, Sabrina Tanamal--

IANA Services Liaison Report – 15 August 2024

SLA Deliverables Update:

ICANN met 100% of processing goal times for the July 2024 monthly
statistics report, exceeding the SLA goal to meet 90% of processing goal
times. These times include the steps that ICANN has control over and not
time it is waiting on requesters, document authors or other experts.
Monthly reports can be found at:

https://www.iana.org/performance/ietf-statistics

--End IANA Liaison Report, Sabrina Tanamal--


2.2 ICANN Liaison Report
--Begin ICANN Liaison Report, Harald Alvestrand--

2024-08-18 ICANN report

This report covers the time from May 2024 to mid-August 2024, a
period that encompasses the Kigali ICANN policy meeting.

ICANN 80 Policy Forum - Kigali
The Kigali meeting and Board workshop was held in Kigali, Rwanda
from Friday, June 7 until Thursday, June 13. Approximately 1004
persons attended in person, with another 634 persons registered to
attend remotely. Registration, as usual for ICANN meetings, is
free of charge both locally and remotely.

The largest group - 445 people, almost half the in-person
attendants - came from Africa; this may be seen as supporting the
theory that having the physical meetings in multiple locations is
important for local attendance. (In contrast, only 77 Africans
came to San Juan).

Announcement of new CEO

On Monday, the new CEO, Kurt Erik “Kurtis” Lindquist, was
announced.
The reception in the community seemed to be largely positive -
nobody has anything bad to say about Kurtis, and many know him or
know of him - the most negative comment I heard was about the
length of time until he can step into the role (December).

High Level Government Meeting - HLGM
This is a session that has been a regular feature (perhaps every 2
years) of ICANN meetings, but has been on hiatus since the
pandemic. It consists of inviting a number of senior
representatives (primarily focused on ministerial level, but many
were represented at lower levels) to get together to discuss
Internet policy matters in a government-oriented forum.
It has no decision power in ICANN (unlike the GAC), but serves to
make a forum.

Discussion topics include the ICANN Multistakeholder Model,
digital inclusion, and a special session with focus on Africa.
Many spoke in favor of the Multistakeholder Model - the EU rep
stating “unflinching support”, for instance - plainly, nobody who
wanted to speak against it had chosen to participate. Australia’s
statement that “the lack of easy answers is the best argument for
the multistakeholder model” perhaps illustrates that many
governments have understood that “easy fixes” to Internet
governance are largely illusions.

 There was a current in the discussions about “moderating”
content, though - for instance Indonesia wanted “all countries to
cooperate so that content that is illegal in one country can be
prevented from entering that country” ... which is Seriously
Harmful to the open Internet, if tried. (Note: ICANN is very
focused on staying out of content regulation - it’s a quagmire
that would harm ICANN’s ability to perform its primary mission.)

The “Africa” session and several sections of the other sessions
saw various ministers showcasing their specific successes and
problems - some noteworthy numbers.
- Bangladesh claims that 98% of their smartphones are produced in-
  country
- Cost of bandwidth in India has dropped from 3.23 USD/GB (2014)
  to 0.11 (now)
- Nigeria is rolling out fiber in communities, but encountering
  59.000 fiber cuts per year - questioning whether it’s viable
  given lack of ability to coordinate
- Iran claims that mobile broadband is now available in all
  villages > 20 households

I eventually got the feeling that if everything that was said was
true, reaching the unreached with Internet would be a solved
problem this year - so obviously, it’s not likely to be all true....

New TLDs
As noted earlier, I’m recused from internal Board discussions on
this topic, so I’ve asked Wes Hardaker to report if there’s
anything non-public that needs reporting.
The plan-of-today was presented in Kigali, of course, and corridor
chitchat has some people outraged that the TLDs in this round look
to be as expensive as in the previous round. Given the large
uncertainty on the project (first of all that the number of
applications is unknowable), that’s not very surprising.

Other hot topics include applicant support (making sure that
people with less money have a chance of competing) and rules for
what restrictions registries can promise to put on themselves
(known as RVCs or PICs), and whether ICANN can do anything if they
make promises and then break them (“enforceability of PICs” is the
keyword here).

Statements of Interest
There’s been a huge amount of discussion in the GNSO about
declaring “who you’re working for” - with most people saying “this
is vital to the transparency of the decision-making”, and some
people saying “.... but we may not be allowed to tell”. No
effective consensus has been reached on how this can be reconciled
- but the massive desire for such disclosure has been clearly
understood.

Name Collision
The SSAC work on the NCAP project (“what happens if someone gets a
TLD that someone else is using as a local name”) is finished. It
recommends that the new TLD process contain a fairly

 beefed-up testing-and-monitoring function that is able to detect
whether a given name can turn out to be an issue before delegation
is decided. Then we can do a serious risk assessment before
allocation. Still no clear advice on how to make a decision
on .corp, .home and .mail, however.

Strategic Plan
There was a public meeting held on the ICANN 5-year strategic
plan. Not a great deal of controversy, but several points were
raised - “incentive for closure” was one; “we’re pulling our
punches on outcomes” was another - a more effective ICANN would be
a better ICANN.

(the report from Kigali ends here)

ICANN layoffs
As previously reported, ICANN has recognized a serious difference
between projected income and projected outlay.
One of the action items was to seriously consider staffing - the
result of that consideration was a decision to terminate 34 staff
(out of a total of 470+); this was announced shortly before the
Kigali meeting.
Not many people were surprised by the fact of layoffs; people with
private-sector background had usually seen the signs before.

There will be future hires - among other things, the new
Ombudsperson is now hired - and in some cases, new hires will be
brought on board to fulfil urgent operational needs (although work
with known end dates is more likely to be done by contractors).
There may also be more terminations in the future. But this block
should be the biggest adjustment that was needed.

So far, nothing has been decided on adjusting ICANN’s fee
structure, but that is definitely a topic for discussion - the
GNSO will want to have input on how we set the rules for this.

IDN work
ICANN’s Universal Acceptance work is, as I see it, becoming more
operational and less talk-focused. The “UA Day” work has been a
success in gathering attention, and especially in showing that
universal acceptance is a global issue, with workshops across the
globe.

ICANN is also contributing at a technical level, making
contributions to widely used open source software in order to fix
its UA issues. This builds reputation that makes ICANN a more
credible partner when it asks commercial entities to join in
getting their stuff up to speed.

.internal approval
The ICANN board resolved on July 29 to reserve the domain name
“.internal” for private use, issuing a guarantee that it will not
be allocated in the future.

This closes out a 4-year process that started out with the SSAC
113 report; the active communication between the IAB and ICANN on
the issue was noted in the resolution.

Legal matters
ICANN has been named as a defendant in a lawsuit by an ex-
employee. As people familiar with the US legal system will
understand, individual board members have been asked to refrain
from commenting publicly on the matter.

--End ICANN Liaison Report, Harald Alvestrand--


2.3 IRTF Chair Report
--Begin IRTF Chair Report, Colin Perkins--

IRTF Chair report to the IAB for the month ending 2024-08-19

Research Groups

New chairs appointed for RASPRG: thanks to Niels ten Oever who has
stepped down and will be replaced by Alvaro Retana; Ignacio Castro
continues. Following a review during IETF 120, RASPRG was approved
as a full RG. HRPC rechartering remains on hold.

ANRP

Award talks at IETF 120 were well received. Expect talks by Sawsan
El-Zahr and Mingshi Wu at IETF 121 in Dublin. Planning for ANRP in
2025 is starting.

ANRW

Successful ANRW at IETF 120 in Vancouver, thanks to Jayasree
Sengupta, Simone Ferlin-Reiter, and Ignacio Castro for organising.
The full programme, with links to papers and presentations, can be
found at https://www.irtf.org/anrw/2024/program.html. Planning for
ANRW 2025 is starting.

Documents and Errata

In RG Last Call:

draft-irtf-nmrg-ai-challenges
draft-irtf-cfrg-dnhpke
Waiting for IRTF Chair:

draft-irtf-cfrg-opaque
draft-fluhrer-lms-more-parm-sets
draft-irtf-iccrg-rledbat
draft-irtf-coinrg-use-cases
Awaiting IRSG Reviews:

draft-irtf-cfrg-aead-properties
draft-irtf-nmrg-green-ps
IRSG Review:

draft-irtf-cfrg-kangarootwelve
Sent to the RFC Editor:

draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines
Other Activities

Applications for diversity travel grants for IETF 121 in Dublin
are now being accepted (https://www.irtf.org/travelgrants/).
Thanks to Netflix, Comcast, Akamai, and Google for their support.

IRTF code of conduct (draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct) is being
finalised. Strong feedback received from the IRSG and others, and
a call for review was made during the IRTF Open Meeting and IETF
Plenary at IETF 120 in Vancouver. Expect this to go to IRTF last
call soon.

--End IRTF Chair Report, Colin Perkins--


2.4 IAB Outreach Coordinator Report
--Begin IAB Outreach Update, Dhruv Dhody--

Here is an update from the IAB Outreach Coordinator.

- There were no outreach activities this month.
- Some key upcoming events of importance are:
   - APRIGF in Taipei (Aug 2024)
   - APNIC 58 in New Zealand (Aug-Sept 2024)
   - Summit of Future in NYC (Sept 2024) (GDC)
   - ITU-WTSA/GSS in New Delhi (Oct 2024)
   - Grace Hopper in Philadelphia (Oct 2024)
- IAB NEMOPS workshop outreach planning
   - NANOG92 and ARIN54 in Toronto (Oct 2024) (Qin and Kent)
   - RIPE89 in Prague (Oct 2024) (Benoit and Med)
   - LACNIC42/LACNOG, Paraguay (Oct 2024) (Benoit)
   - AutoConn2 in Denver (Nov 2024) (Mahesh)
   - APRICOT2025/APNIC59 (Dhruv)
   - NANOG93 (Suresh)

- News:
   - IAB decided to participate in APRICOT2025/APNIC59 in Dhaka in
     Feb 2025.
   - We still need to shortlist an internet governance event for 2025.

--End IAB Outreach Update, Dhruv Dhody--


2.5 Tools Liaison Report
--Begin Tools Liaison Report, Wes Hardaker--

<2024-08-13 Tue>

Official notes

many services moved before IETF-120

- only a very few things not moved
- lots of measurement metrics added
 - lots of insights on what to focus on next
- should be able to reduce level of resources for IETF-121
 - IETF-120 didn’t use as much as was assigned
 - will reduce some costs

mailman move summary

- ietf-a should be closed down within the next couple of weeks to
  month
- plan is in good shape overall

yang modules available in github

- https://github.com/YangModels/yang
- there was some loss at some point, but is now fixed
- now archived into the tools-team with fixed access tokens
- essentially broken for 8 months – did anyone notice and is it
used?
 - likely yes (eg, 1.2k forks)

granting rights on pre-rfc5378 contributions to the trust

- will be creating a mechanism to grant pre-rfc5378 contributions
  to the trust
- a problem for bis documents in particular
- pdf generated and then docusigned
- discussion started from me about how to deal with assignment
  rights for people vs organizations, and who has signing
  authority and what happens when companies no longer exist, for
  example

idnits2 vs idnits3

- will be xml-first based
- plug-gable system for easy reuse into your workflow
- related id3nits web page

AOB

- will be requiring submissions to be xml with fixed xincludes
- code sprint will move on 121 to see if we get a different set of
  people
- iesg dislikes the errata verification portal - status?
 - discussions only at this point, no actual design
 - looking at what a complete overhaul would look like
 - every step of the process needs to be thought about

--End Tools Liaison Report, Wes Hardaker--


3. Moving the iab-vote list to iab.org

  The Tools Team would like to turn off i1b.org. The domain
  contains only one active mail list, iab-vote@i1b.org. After the
  ICANN Board appointment is concluded, this list will be moved to
  iab.org.


4. Executive Session: ICANN Board Liaison Appointment

  The ICANN Board Liaison appointment was discussed in executive
  session.


5. Next IAB Meeting

  The next IAB meeting will be in two weeks on 2024-09-04.