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Minutes of the 2024-09-18 IAB Business Meeting

1. Administrivia

1.1. Attendance

Present:

 Matthew Bocci
 Alissa Cooper
 Roman Danyliw (IETF Chair)
 Dhruv Dhody
 Liz Flynn (IETF Secretariat)
 Wes Hardaker
 Cullen Jennings
 Suresh Krishnan
 Cindy Morgan (IAB Executive Administrative Manager)
 Ryan Polk (ISOC Liaison)
 Tommy Pauly (IAB Chair)
 Alvaro Retana
 Sabrina Tanamal (IANA Liaison)
 Christopher Wood
 Greg Wood
 Qin Wu

Regrets:

 Mirja Kühlewind
 Colin Perkins (IRTF Chair)
 David Schinazi
 John Scudder (IESG Liaison)

Observers:

 Warren Kumari


1.2. Agenda bash and announcements

1.3. Meeting Minutes

The following meeting minutes were approved:

  • 2024-09-04 business meeting - (submitted 2024-09-04)


1.4. Action Item Review

Done:

  • 2024-09-04: Cindy Morgan to subscribe Cullen Jennings to the IETF-
    W3C Coordination list.

  • 2024-09-04: Alissa Cooper to ask Mallory Knodel to put her in touch
    with the people who wrote the rejoinder to the GDC open letter.


On Hold:

  • 2023-06-07: Dhruv Dhody and Wes Hardaker to track adding IAB
    review of proposed WG charters to the Datatracker.
    See https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/5849

  • 2024-04-17: Cindy Morgan to update the timeline for the 2025 ICANN
    NomCom Liaison appointment once the list of positions being filled
    is available.

  • 2024-06-24: Dhruv Dhody to coordinate a panel or other activity for
    APRICOT 2025/APNIC 59.
    - Check back October 2024


In Progress:

  • 2024-03-17: Liaison Managers to follow up with Martin Thomson about
    liaison manager for W3C.

  • 2024-06-12: Mirja Kühlewind to work with Wes Hardaker on
    prioritizing the current list of IAB requests for the Tools Team.

  • 2024-06-25: 2024-06-24: Suresh Krishnan to draft a document
    obsoleting RFC 3113 (Update RFC3113 to in only high level details
    of the collaboration (3GPP-IETF co-ordination team) and move the
    details to a Wiki. Remove references to technology and org
    structure items that will become out of date quickly.

  • 2024-06-26: Suresh Krishnan, Warren Kumari, Dhruv Dhody, and Éric
    Vyncke will work on text around limited domains.

  • 2024-09-04: Liaison Coordinators to update RFC 4052 to improve
    documentation about liaison relationships.

  • 2024-09-04: Suresh Krishnan to provide contacts for the people at
    Cisco working on Tesla Transport Protocol over Ethernet (TTPoE).

New:

  • 2024-09-18: Cindy Morgan to update the NEMOPS Workshop page in the
    Datatracker and send out the call for papers.

  • 2024-09-18: Alissa Cooper to reach out to contacts at ANSI and ask
    for more information on the upcoming ANSI Consortia Roundtable.

  • 2024-09-18: Suresh Krishnan to reach out to Stephen Farrell about
    possible guest speakers for IAB Open.
Done:



1.5. IAB Document Status Update - No Updates This Week

 Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/stream/iab/

  • draft-iab-bias-workshop-report-02
    Sent to the RFC Editor : Informational
    IAB Shepherd: Suresh Krishnan

  • draft-edm-protocol-greasing-03
    Maintaining Protocols Using Grease and Variability
    I-D Exists, IAB stream
    IAB Shepherd: Not assigned


1.6. IAB Review of WG Charters

 Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/chartering/

  • Getting Ready for Energy-Efficient Networking (GREEN)
    Area: OPS
    Internal Review
    IESG Telechat: (2024-09-19)
    IAB Reviewer: Alvaro Retana

  • MODeration PrOceDures (MODPOD)
    Area: GEN
    Internal Review
    IESG Telechat: (2024-09-19)
    IAB Reviewer: Qin Wu (Review sent 2024-09-11)

  • Secure Shell Maintenance (SSHM)
    Area: SEC
    External Review
    IESG Telechat: (2024-09-19)
    IAB Reviewer: Cullen Jennings (Review sent 2024-09-06)


1.7 IAB Appointments

  • IRTF Chair - Call for Nominations ended 2024-09-10

Cindy Morgan reminded members of the interview committee to fill
out a Doodle for interview scheduling.




2. Monthly Written Reports and Other Brief Updates

2.1 EC Multi-stakeholder Platform for ICT Standardisation Report

--Begin EC Multi-stakeholder Platform for ICT Standardisation
  Report, Mat Ford and Olaf Kolkman--

EC Multi-stakeholder Platform for ICT Standardisation, Meeting 41
Thursday 12th September, 2024

Rolling Plan 2025

The Task Force Rolling Plan is now preparing the Rolling Plan
2025. Input related to IETF/IRTF activity aligned with the EU
standardisation policy agenda is captured on the wiki. Updates in
this iteration include:

- updated to reflect RP2025 structural changes
- added updated text on RP Actions
- updated references to relevant IETF work including §3.0.2 pquip,
  §3.0.3 dult, §3.1.2 wimse, §3.1.4 lwig, §3.1.5 spice

The deadline for submission of inputs to the Rolling Plan 2025 is
September 20th.

Standardisation needs for the eIDAS 2.0 Regulation

The meeting received a presentation from Stavros Kounis
(Enterprise Architect, European Commission) on standardising the
EU digital identity wallet ecosystem.

They need to reference Technical Specifications (TS, from non-
recognised SDOs, including IETF) in their Implementing Acts.

EUDI Wallet Architectural Reference Framework currently includes
reference to 9 RFCs and 2 Internet-Drafts.

Two of these documents have been through the MSP identification
process previously.

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Implementing Acts will be published in November 2024, March 2025
and May 2025. They can be re-opened and updated annually when new
standards and TS become eligible and ready for reference

The meeting discussed the suitability of the MSP process to assess
TS for eligibility to reference in Implementing Acts. The MSP
identification process was put on hold in 2017. In light of the
requirements arising from recent legislation, the EC is discussing
with their Secretariat General how to proceed in a more efficient
way and will try to resume the identification process. The
identification process is necessary to demonstrate that
recognising TS from a non-recognised SDO will not create a
technical barrier to trade. The identification process does not
judge technical quality - simply assesses conformance with the
Annex 2 criteria of Regulation (EU) No 1025(2012).

We (Mat & Olaf) will contact Stavros directly to offer our
support.

Integrating Human Rights in ICT standardisation

The EC presented some considerations relating to integration of
‘EU values’, human rights and ICT Standardisation. Reference was
made to the IRTF Human Rights Protocol Considerations Research
Group and RFC 8280. Interventions were made to clarify that
RFC8280 is output of the IRTF, that the IRTF is a research
organisation and as such it does not develop standards of any
kind. The meeting’s attention was also drawn to the soon-to-be-
published draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines (actually published as
RFC9620 later the same day).

Next meeting

The next meeting of the platform is foreseen in February 2025
although no date has been finalised at this time. A workshop on
cloud interoperability is in planning for the margins of next MSP
meeting.

--End EC Multi-stakeholder Platform for ICT Standardisation
  Report, Mat Ford and Olaf Kolkman--


2.2 IANA Liaison Report

--Begin IANA Liaison Report, Sabrina Tanamal--
IANA Services Liaison Report – 18 September 2024

SLA Deliverables Update:

ICANN met 100% of processing goal times for the August 2024
monthly statistics report, exceeding the SLA goal to meet 90% of
processing goal times. These times include the steps that ICANN
has control over and not time it is waiting on requesters,
document authors or other experts. Monthly reports can be found at:

https://www.iana.org/performance/ietf-statistics

Other News:

The IETF-IANA Group Meeting was held on 10 September 2024. Meeting
minutes will be available at a future IAB Business meeting.

--End IANA Liaison Report, Sabrina Tanamal--


2.3 IRTF Chair Report

--Begin IRTF Chair Report, Colin Perkins--
IRTF Chair report to the IAB for the month ending 2024-09-12

Research Groups

Discussing ongoing around potential research groups relating to
space networking and sustainability. HRPC rechartering remains on
hold.

ANRP

Expect talks by Sawsan El-Zahr and Mingshi Wu at IETF 121 in
Dublin. Planning for ANRP in 2025 is ongoing with nominations due
to open later this month.

ANRW

Planning for ANRW 2025 is ongoing. Finalising the closing report
on ANRW 2024.

Documents and Errata

In RG Last Call:

draft-irtf-nmrg-ai-challenges
draft-irtf-cfrg-dnhpke
draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct

Waiting for IRTF Chair:

draft-irtf-cfrg-opaque
Revised I-D Needed
draft-irtf-iccrg-rledbat
draft-irtf-coinrg-use-cases

IRSG Review:

draft-fluhrer-lms-more-parm-sets
Revised I-D Needed
draft-irtf-cfrg-kangarootwelve
draft-irtf-cfrg-aead-properties
draft-irtf-nmrg-green-ps

Sent to the RFC Editor:

draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines
AUTH48

Other Activities

Diversity travel grants for IETF 121 in Dublin announced, with
eight awards being made (3 female; awardees from Middle East,
South America x2, Africa x2, Europe x2, and North America).

IRTF Code of Conduct is in last call. Discussion of an IRTF
conflict of interest policy is ongoing.

--End IRTF Chair Report, Colin Perkins--

2.4 ISOC Liaison Report

--Begin ISOC Liaison Report, Ryan Polk--
Internet Society Liaison Report - September 2024
Ryan Polk, Internet Society Liaison to the Internet Architecture Board
Policy Development Process: A Policy Framework for Internet
Intermediaries

The Internet Society developed a draft Policy Framework for
Internet Intermediaries. This is an output of our 2024 Action Plan
project, Guiding Constructive Internet Policy, where the Internet
Society explores policy principles and gather insights on
intermediary protections or liability from around the world. Our
work in this area is in response to increasing limits to or
conditions on intermediary liability protections, which could
negatively affect the Internet ecosystem.

The draft document is available for comment as part of the
Internet Society’s Policy Development Process until 11 October
2024. Please find links to the document and the form to share your
feedback, here: [link redacted]


US White House Releases Routing Security Roadmap

In early September, the White House Office of the National Cyber
Director (ONCD) released its Roadmap to Enhancing Internet Routing
Security. Overall, the Roadmap is quite good. The roadmap focuses
on recommendations for the Federal Government to improve its own
networks and some recommendations for best practices for industry.

Importantly, the Roadmap avoids suggesting top-down mandates for
the private sector. The threat of top-down regulation is the
concern we still have for the FCC’s forthcoming rules on BGP
security. We are hopeful that this Roadmap can act as a
counterweight to any inclinations from the FCC (or others in
the administration) to make top-down rules for routing security.

The roadmap also puts into motion the process to require that any
operator that provides network services to the federal government
must follow strong routing security practices for those services.
This will be good for the Federal government, but perhaps even
more importantly it will set a strong example for major private
network service customers (like major non-tech corporations) to
demand good routing security practices in the services those customers acquire.

The Internet Society engaged with ONCD for over a year to provide
input into the development of the Roadmap. The Internet Society is
happy with the outcome. Additionally, it seems like most of the
experts from the private sector are also happy with the roadmap as well.

Please let Ryan Polk (polk@isoc.org) and John Morris
(morris@isoc.org) know if you have any questions about the new
roadmap or the state of play on routing security in the US.


4th Annual Global Encryption Day – 21 October 2024

On October 21st, the Global Encryption Coalition will host its 4th
annual Global Encryption Day, a Global Day of Action to promote
and defend the use of strong encryption around the world. As part
of the Global Encryption Day, over fifty organizations will be
hosting local events. In past years, these local events have
included policy workshops, technical trainings, and even street
protests in support of encryption. GEC will also host its 2nd
Encryption Summit: Encrypting today to safeguard tomorrow.

With encryption facing some of its strongest challenges, including
potentially threatening regulations in the European Union, this
year is more important than ever for the community to stand up for
encryption.

If anyone on the Internet Architecture Board would like to learn
more about Global Encryption Day 2024 and how to get involved,
please email Paula Bernardi (bernardi@isoc.org) or Sebastian
Schonfeld (schonfeld@isoc.org).


UN Summit for the Future – 22-23 September 2024

The Summit of the Future (SotF) will take place from 22-23
September 2024, where head of governments and states will consider
the Pact of the Future, to which the Global Digital Compact (GDC)
will be annexed. At this stage, the GDC is still being negotiated
by a small number of governments who have expressed that they are
not prepared to adopt the fourth revision of the GDC. We
understand that if the document is not adopted during the Summit
of the Future, that the GDC may be passed to the United Nations
General Assembly, to be adopted as a stand alone resolution, which
will not require consensus.

The Internet Society plan to attend the SotF to closely monitor
the developments around the GDC and will report back to the IAB
regarding the outcomes.

--End ISOC Liaison Report, Ryan Polk--


2.5 IAB Outreach Coordinator Report

--Begin IAB Outreach Coordinator Report, Dhruv Dhody--
There were no outreach activities by the IAB this month.

Some "individuals" participated in outreach:
- Mirja participated in a panel and joined the task force for the
  German ministry for digitals (BMDV).
- Mirjam participated in APNIC 58 and Africa Internet Summit panels.

Some key upcoming events of importance are:
- Summit of Future in NYC (Sept 2024) (GDC)
- ITU-WTSA/GSS in New Delhi (Oct 2024) (Roman)
- ANSI Consortia Roundtable in DC (Oct 2024) (?)
- inSIG in Bangalore (Oct 2024) (Dhruv)
- Grace Hopper in Philadelphia (Oct 2024)

IAB NEMOPS workshop outreach plan
- NANOG92 and ARIN54 in Toronto (Oct 2024) (Qin, Warren, Kent)
- RIPE89 in Prague (Oct 2024) (Benoit, Med)
- LACNIC42/LACNOG, Paraguay (Oct 2024) (Benoit)
- AutoConn2 in Denver (Nov 2024) (Mahesh)
- APRICOT2025/APNIC59 (Dhruv)
- NANOG93 (Suresh)

News:
- IAB decided to participate in APRICOT2025/APNIC59 in Feb 2025.
The venue is  moved from Dhaka to a yet-to-be-announced location.

- We still need to shortlist an internet governance event for 2025
(IGF 2025, ICANN events, WSIS+20,...)

--End IAB Outreach Coordinator Report, Dhruv Dhody--


2.6 Tools Liaison Report

--Begin Tools Liaison Report, Wes Hardaker--

Here are some notes from yesterday’s tools team meeting. Full
official meeting agenda/minutes: https://notes.ietf.org/tools-team-20240910

E-Mail processing

- Proper evaluation of SES header rewriting of mail headers for
  DKIM/DMARC underway
- it’s a problem and no immediate solutions available
- will cause a significant delay

zulip upgrade

- staying on the version 8.x series even though 9.x releases have
  been started

meetecho update

- the LLC is moving some meetecho functionality to meetecho.ietf.org
- datatracker integration coming
- note: meetecho player is open sourced
- past recording links will be there for example
- this is an advantage over youtube as you get syncronized chat/etc
- example recordings from 120: https://www.meetecho.com/ietf120/recordings/

Datatracker notes

- lots of bot DDoS attacks that are slipping through cloudflare
- fortunately most are short lived
- blocking things as they come right now
- whack-a-mole though
- in general the IT transition projects are definitely over the

  critical hump

Accessibility report of HTML and SVG for RFCs

- detailed report (37 pages)
- blog post to be published (very) shortly
- next will be guidelines for authors
- right now many HTML’s are inside html PRE blocks
- these will need a significant amount of work to get fixed
  (likely will need grant funding)

--End Tools Liaison Report, Wes Hardaker--


2.7 ICANN Liaison Report

--Begin ICANN Liaison Report, Harald Alvestrand--
2024-09-18 ICANN report
This report covers the time from mid-August to Mid-September 2024,
which includes the ICANN Board workshop in Los Angeles.

Changes in the Board
There have been a number of changes announced in the board. All of
these (with one exception) are effective as of the end of the next
ICANN meeting in Istanbul, November 2024.
- Harald Alvestrand is being replaced by David Lawrence (decision
  by IAB)
- Danko Jevtovic and Edmund Chung are being replaced by Amitabh
  Singhal and Miriam Sapiro (decision by Nomcom)
- Katrina Saki has resigned from the board, citing “personal
  reasons”, effective immediately. The ccNSO is running a rather
  slow process to name a replacement.

Tripti Sinha (nomcom) and Alan Barrett (ASO) also had terms
ending, but were reappointed.

New CEO
Starting date is now confirmed as December 9. Kurtis will be in
Istanbul at the ICANN meeting from Saturday to Monday - this is a
chance for the community to meet with him.

RDRS (“WHOIS for non-public data”)
The number of requests into this system has leveled off - to less
than 200 queries per month. That’s not enough to show that it’s
worth doing.

The most stark statistic presented is the disparity between
registrars - one registrar is giving positive responses to almost
50% of the requests so far; another is rejecting all but a small
fraction of requests. This points to policy differences between
registrars being a major reason for unhappiness among the people
querying the system.

Apparently Interpol is running a very similar system for their
members, which has been developed without public scrutiny - some
registrars would rather handle requests under a system that’s been
developed in public; that may be a reason to continue the effort.

So far, the operating period for the RDRS pilot is 2 years, but
we’ll see what happens then.

New gTLD program
Because of Google’s role as a registrar, I have been asked to
recuse myself here, so I don’t have any non-public information to
share.

It’s public information that the Applicant Support Program
(ensuring that applicants from underserved regions can afford to
apply for new gTLDs) is worrying people (governments represented
in the GAC among them) - mostly they want to be sure that good
applications all get funded; the fact that ICANN can’t commit to
an unbounded expense bothers them - but the community understands
that. This topic won’t go away until all the applications are in.

Review Redesign - Holistic Review Pilot
The system of reviews set up in the bylaws has been cumbersome,
expensive and with results of limited usefulness - but is an
important part of accountability.

The Holistic Review proposal is to replace it with a review cycle
that looks at the whole of ICANN; the pilot (with a review team of
16 people from SO/AC backing it) is trying to make a reasonably
lean process, drawing on internal ICANN resources rather than
hiring externals.

Budget matters
It looks like the cuts in June and associated cost-saving measures
were enough to bring expense projections into rough alignment with
income projections. But disciplining the organization into
ensuring stuff is delivered “on time and within budget” is still a
task that is far from completed.

Legal matters
The lawsuit by an ex-employee continues. Lawsuits of this type
usually take up to 5 years until they’re finally resolved; it is
not a fast process.

Next meetings
The board has given the go-ahead to meet in Muscat, Oman for the
fall 2025 meeting (following Istanbul, Seattle, and Prague).
Beyond that, all meetings are still “TBD” (“negotiations are not
public yet” - staff is working hard to push the planning cycle out
longer, because that usually means we’re able to do it for less).

--End ICANN Liaison Report, Harald Alvestrand--


3. AI Control Workshop Update

  Suresh Krishan reported that the AI Control Workshop begins
  tomorrow (2024-09-19) and it will be completely full. IAB
  members attending are Suresh Krishnan, Alissa Cooper, and Mirja
  Kühlewind.


4. NEMOPS Workshop Update

  The IAB agreed to finalize the workshop description and Cindy
  Morgan will send out the call for papers.


5. ANSI Consortia Roundtable

  Jay Daley received an invitation to an ANSI Consortia Roundtable
  on October 17, 1-3 pm ET in Washington DC and forwarded it to
  the IAB. Alissa Cooper will reach out to ANSI for more
  information so the IAB can determine if participation would be
  useful.


6. IAB Open Meeting at IETF 121

  Matthew Bocci volunteered to co-chair the IAB Open session at
  IETF 121. Suresh Krishnan will reach out to Stephen Farrell for
  input on a locally relevant speaker.


7. Next IAB Meeting

  The next IAB meeting will be a technical discussion on
  Censorship Measurements on 2024-09-25.